Originally posted by carver9feats alone =/=win. It's best to go by the power set along with the style of a character.
If Thor has damaged Abstracts CONSISTENTLY, why not accept it? Don't understand how you can discredit/disregard Thor fts but accept all of Adam fts. You don't pick and choose which fts are valid for Thor or not and you sure as hell don't have the right to say what is valid for the character. Rage provided fts/scans, its up to you to find fts for Adam that is better.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Doubt it when you say that Iron man is class 100. Congratulations are in order I guess.Its used even today. Its not about lifting feats in the first place. If you think the system is built upon lifting feats, you know nothing about how it works.
That armor wasn't a class 100. By the ranking you are giving Thor would be class 1 billion and that blow wouldn't even get his attention. Amped sentry? Lulz. Who's arguing for low feats? Do you see me arguing about Rachel summers dropping thor or some random lasers knocking him out? Or spider man knocking him out? Yeah, that happened too.
Except there is no class 1 billion. The ranking is "incalculable." Shows how much you don't know. And yes, although not accurate, the ranking system IS a measure of their bench press. I'm sorry, I should explain. Bench pressing is a form of weightlifting.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why is Thor's showings with the UFoes being brought forward here? Missed the last few pages (and from the looks of it, thankfully). Is it being used as some form of representation of a low showing for Thor or something? Too lazy to read the last few clusterfudge pages.
Yes. A guy who I am ignoring brought it up in another thread and Abi here almost broke his keyboard cosigning.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
Why is Thor's showings with the UFoes being brought forward here? Missed the last few pages (and from the looks of it, thankfully). Is it being used as some form of representation of a low showing for Thor or something? Too lazy to read the last few clusterfudge pages.
Yes. A guy who I am ignoring brought it up in another thread and Abi here almost broke his keyboard cosigning.
Originally posted by carver9
Thor brushed off a Nuke during the Ufoe scene. Nothing low about that at all.
Correct. It wasn't a low showing. Sentry, powered up villains giving one continuous blast close range at maximum power.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I just posted the scans. World War III was a powered up Black Adam.Do you not understand that Thor was attempting to deny any fear in a stuttering manner as a result of their effect?
That's a lie, Thor most definitely hurt Odin. Nul is weaker then average Savage Hulk? This fellow posters is what happens when you eat lead paint by the cans as a baby.
You don't get to call high end showings PIS and bring up Black Adam scattering the JSA. Anyways Thor's hurt everyone from Galactus to Surtur to Odin to Chaos King to killing an Eternity level Demorgorge's heart. He one shot killed Angrir, a massively amped Ulik, tear through a resurrected Skurge etc. Just recently he went toe to toe with Angrir/Nul while weakened (And also stalemated Surfer in this state) which shits on fighting Superman until he gets serious. We also saw him take on Hela with the Twilight Sword, Gorr the Butcher of Gods, Glory a pantheon of Gods, a Surtur capable of destroying the Multiverse which is even more impressive etc. all within the last few years.
Notice that I'm limiting this to only recent appearances. If I did use his best showings over dozens of years, this wouldn't even be fair. Your mind would collapse from trying to reconcile them with your lowballing.
Thor has far more showings that indicate he has to use his powers wisely if he even intends to beat up mid to high Heralds? 😂
Correct.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I just posted the scans. World War III was a powered up Black Adam.Do you not understand that Thor was attempting to deny any fear in a stuttering manner as a result of their effect?
That's a lie, Thor most definitely hurt Odin. Nul is weaker then average Savage Hulk? This fellow posters is what happens when you eat lead paint by the cans as a baby.
You don't get to call high end showings PIS and bring up Black Adam scattering the JSA. Anyways Thor's hurt everyone from Galactus to Surtur to Odin to Chaos King to killing an Eternity level Demorgorge's heart. He one shot killed Angrir, a massively amped Ulik, tear through a resurrected Skurge etc. Just recently he went toe to toe with Angrir/Nul while weakened (And also stalemated Surfer in this state) which shits on fighting Superman until he gets serious. We also saw him take on Hela with the Twilight Sword, Gorr the Butcher of Gods, Glory a pantheon of Gods, a Surtur capable of destroying the Multiverse which is even more impressive etc. all within the last few years.
Notice that I'm limiting this to only recent appearances. If I did use his best showings over dozens of years, this wouldn't even be fair. Your mind would collapse from trying to reconcile them with your lowballing.
Thor has far more showings that indicate he has to use his powers wisely if he even intends to beat up mid to high Heralds? 😂
he was "powered" up by the end of the arc as i pointed out , not during his major fights, reread the arc.
again speculations you pull out of your butt.
Tutinax mentioned his powers, thor pointed out it doesnt work on him, nor was it mentioned that the powers were effecting thor, therefor there is no reason to believe thor was effected by powers.
if you want to make up things go write your own thor comics, but dont twist that was already written and published.
Thor did not hurt odin, took him off balance and made him trip, there is no evidence nor statement or showing odin was even slightly hurt.
judging by feats yes Nul is weaker than the average savage hulk thats a fact.
dont try to get personal i will make you bash your head against the keyboard if we get there.
again if the high end feats are a complete minority which contredict a HUGE wave of majority then it is a PIS and cannot be used.
Superman has much higher High end feats where he does things that clearly should put him as high or mid trans, you dont see me use those as his standard, if thor had half of the feats superman has you would cream those feats every single day.
you repeat yourself like a broken record, i addressed those events, some of them are PIS, some of them are just thor effecting =/= beating, but the thing is, even if those is able to hurt individuals who are above the herald league, it doesnt mean thor can beat any herald Lol, some heralds are more suited to beat thor like black adam due to superior speed and fighting.
again this is not a war of feats, thor has dozens on top of dozens years of performance, his feats are scattered around from low herald to trans and even skyfather, but if we take all this mess and look at it correctly, we see that most of his feats put him at his average high herald , while thor only brawling it out is nothing special to mid heralds and up.
Adam on the other hand has a more stacked up performance, the complete majority of his showings portray him as a high herald with better skill set than thor and better performance specially in fights vs guys who can match him in speed and strength, not only vs huge slow pokes who just stand there and take him shots.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I confirmed that U-Foes were part of Hood's gang and all members of his gang were powered up before Siege even started. And the Hood's gang lost their powers after Loki reclaimed the Norn Stones which was in the final assault against Sentry. The fact that you even asked this question leads me to believe you haven't read anything I've posted so far.You do a lot of ranting without making much of a point. Thor was definitely injured to some extent after the combined attack (Which was my original point) but in this very same issue he was back in it and fighting the Sentry Void in the next (Based on how quickly the events took place, I'd say it all lasted a few minutes or so):
Also, why do you keep thinking Thor being negatively affected by Sentry's onslaught is some kind of low showing? Osborn's crew (Specifically Sentry) were supposed to hit Thor hard and fast with everything they had.
Actually, there was blood on his hands I'll give you that. Although there aren't any visible injuries even after the dog pile.
and again i repeat my statement, it was never showed the u foes got the power up, in non of their fights it was mentioned they became stronger than usual, there is also no mention or portreyal of them being more powerful while fighting thor, and even cap and nick dispatched them with easy.
this is not an evidence to them being powered up at all, it shows the writer was intending to use some powers up for the bag guys but it did not happen for the u foes.
so what is your point? so you backed up from your original statement that thor wasnt at full power when facing the u foes because sentry tackled him? good, thats all i wanted.
sentrys onslaught? you shitting me? sentry tackled thor and gets bfr, what onslaught are you talking about? i bring the sentry bump because i am pointing out while standing vs the u foes and falling to them thor was perfectly fine thats all.
and yes if you do imply that thor was hurt from a tackle made by sentry then its a low showing to his durability.
dude... he was all covered in blood and holding his hand collapsingly as if he had some seizure attack... he wasnt injured? really???
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Except there is no class 1 billion. The ranking is "incalculable." Shows how much you don't know. And yes, although not accurate, the ranking system IS a measure of their bench press. I'm sorry, I should explain. Bench pressing is a form of weightlifting.
Its not a measure of benchpressing either. You don't know anything about it if you think so.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, that very same one. Can't say pass to a feat just because you don't like it. What energy blast are you talking about? There was a bright light when Masterson grabbed Mjolnir but that accompanied all his transformations.That first panel is Ulik falling through a sign after he was weakened and it continues in the third, it's not about Thor.
Based on what? Bor isn't more powerful then Odin and if he isn't found worthy, he can't lift the hammer. Bor stopped trying to lift the hammer but Hela specifically summoned him for his abilities so the reasoning that he was weakened makes no sense. Since you have no evidence and are ignoring mine, I vote for a mod ruling on this issue.
No, Hulk doubted himself after Thor dug himself out of the ground on the first page, not the second. Please read.
Can you post the whole sequence of Thor freeing himself and not just a cropped scan?
Based on Bor being Odin's father. Why would that means Bor was unworthy and not just depowered? Odin doesn't need Thor to be dead to lift the hammer.
As soon as you post the scan which says that they were as powerful as when they were alive, we can use a mod ruling.
You mean when hulk says that Thor is a god? How is that doubting his strength? Not to mention that Hulk grew stronger in canon as told in IH 131 and IH 270 when he said he was far weaker in strength those days. Honestly Thor stalemating Hulk when he was at his strongest and Hulk was at his weakest isn't very impressive.
Gosh, rage just loves his "thor wasnt at full power" "thor's opponent was massively amped" arguments.
its like me comming up with something like, superman holds back all the time therefor automatically he could defeat his opponents if he just wanted and unleashed himself.
or saying superman is depowered during every single fight because of his weakness to kryptonite, and the fact there is kryptonite scattered all over earth it somehow affects superman while he is on earth.
see? i can be the rage of superman... geez.
