Originally posted by curryman
Hulk destroys him.There's no reason to believe that because Void could come back from death once or twice, he'd be able to do so permanently.
Doing well against regular Thor and some other guys doesn't suddenly mean you're in worldbreaker-town.
Dont confuse the poorly written Siege Void with his other appearances. Bendis butchered the character during Siege to get rid of him. Doing well against Thor and a few other characters? What about when the X-Men, FF4, Strange, and other characters were barely noticed by the Void and they were powerless to do anything to him? Thats the example I like to use. Also, what are you talking about when you say there's no reason to believe the Void wouldnt come back from death just because he's done so a couple times? He's not a cat with only 9 lives. Its been shown that he is beyond death. Bob isnt here in this battle to drag him down.
WBH Hulk loses
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
How?Complete mastery of molecular structure that surpasses Owen says otherwise.
Originally posted by tkitna
Be kind of hard to do when your turned into a salt block or something of that nature. Is WBH beyond molecular manipulation? If so, thats the first i've ever heard of it.
Originally posted by tkitna
Dont confuse the poorly written Siege Void with his other appearances. Bendis butchered the character during Siege to get rid of him. Doing well against Thor and a few other characters? What about when the X-Men, FF4, Strange, and other characters were barely noticed by the Void and they were powerless to do anything to him? Thats the example I like to use. Also, what are you talking about when you say there's no reason to believe the Void wouldnt come back from death just because he's done so a couple times? He's not a cat with only 9 lives. Its been shown that he is beyond death. Bob isnt here in this battle to drag him down.WBH Hulk loses
Hulk obliterated Wendigo/Manbeast+++ without even going for them. Their durability rages far above anyone on x-men or F4's lineup. Sentry actually looked far better during Siege, considering that he fought Thor and Loki+norn stones.
When a character resurrects we don't assume that they are able to do so infinitely. Do I really need to explain what a faulty line of reasoning this is?
Originally posted by Stoiclike I said lol at some the arguments yours included
There really is no proof that the Void whom a standard Sentry took out could take the Hulk at this level. So yeah LOL at some of the arguments in this thread. As far as i know Bob has never displayed the type of power that it would take to claim victory here.
WBH is orders of magnitude more powerful than anything Void Sentry faced.
MM was insane and inept, he's had worse low-showings before but he was caught off-guard by Sentry and even commented on the fact that he had no experience of his type of molecules before.
WBH would vaporise Void Sentry with a thunderclap, and that wouldn't even begin to tap into the power WBH can output.
Originally posted by curryman
Hulk obliterated Wendigo/Manbeast+++ without even going for them. Their durability rages far above anyone on x-men or F4's lineup. Sentry actually looked far better during Siege, considering that he fought Thor and Loki+norn stones.
Like I said, teams of hero's went basically unnoticed by the Void. They were no more then gnats to a dog, so lets not talk about durability. That easily trumps anything Wendigo and Manbeast has ever done.
No, the Void actually looked like crap during Siege. Thor and Loki should honestly have been killed within a few panels. Good old Bendis.
When a character resurrects we don't assume that they are able to do so infinitely. Do I really need to explain what a faulty line of reasoning this is?
When a character resurrects numerous times throughout his career, why should we think he would not be able to again? Why do you feel there should be a number put beside it. Should Superman be only able to fire heat rays say 23 times and then he's done. Your line of logic is silly. Not only has Sentry/Void resurrected from death, they have brought other people back from the dead.
Yes, please explain the faulty line of reasoning.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
Hulk withstood "Thor level" molecular manipulation like 2 issues ago in his own book and that is at standard levels. Transmuting his body never works out well for his opponent because his healing factor/physiology will restore him.
Well Sentry's molecular manipulation is on another level then Thor's (come on, he beat the Molecule Man at his own game) and it should screw or weaken the Hulk enough to win this battle.
Originally posted by janus77
WBH is orders of magnitude more powerful than anything Void Sentry faced.MM was insane and inept,
So was the Void in Siege
WBH would vaporise Void Sentry with a thunderclap, and that wouldn't even begin to tap into the power WBH can output.
Lol. Yeah I believe this about as much as you really do.
Originally posted by tkitna
Well Sentry's molecular manipulation is on another level then Thor's (come on, he beat the Molecule Man at his own game) and it should be screw or weaken the Hulk enough to win this battle.
As I said if Thor can destroy parts of Voidtrys body with hammer shots imagine what WBH would do to it.
Originally posted by tkitna
Like I said, teams of hero's went basically unnoticed by the Void. They were no more then gnats to a dog, so lets not talk about durability. That easily trumps anything Wendigo and Manbeast has ever done.
It's a good thing I was comparing the other teams to amped Wendigo/Manbeast, and not the Void.
"no more than gnats to a dog" and Void still couldn't break through the forcefield in time. I also don't see what's so impressive about beating a lesser lineup than what WWH faced, OFF PANEL.
Originally posted by tkitna
No, the Void actually looked like crap during Siege. Thor and Loki should honestly have been killed within a few panels. Good old Bendis.
Originally posted by tkitna
When a character resurrects numerous times throughout his career, why should we think he would not be able to again? Why do you feel there should be a number put beside it. Should Superman be only able to fire heat rays say 23 times and then he's done. Your line of logic is silly. Not only has Sentry/Void resurrected from death, they have brought other people back from the dead.Yes, please explain the faulty line of reasoning.
I need to explain why showing that you're able to do something doesn't necessarily mean that you can do it into infinity?
Cyclops can fire laser beams.
So we go off the assumption that he can fire as many laser beams as he wants to, forever?
Originally posted by tkitna
So was the Void in SiegeLol. Yeah I believe this about as much as you really do.
A non-holding-back Hulk out-performed a skyfather, in her own realm. Obliterated said realm and with it the most powerful versions of Wendigo, Bi-Beast, Arch'don, etc etc. Each one of them stacks more powerful than anyone Sentry/Void ever faced during Siege.
WBH is overkill, just GreenScar as he was handling 1000x AMPED Wendigo & Bi-Beast is more than enough to kill Voidtry (again).
Also, if you want to cling to Sentry returning from the dead, then Maestro is proof positive that Hulk is immortal and can always return from even atomic dispersal.
That, by the way, isn't the most powerful Hulk we've seen - WBH is.
So Sentry/Voidtry is screwed, he's never demonstrated power on the scale necessary to even draw WBH's attention and he's never faced anything like the offensive force that WBH brings.
Originally posted by curryman
It's a good thing I was comparing the other teams to amped Wendigo/Manbeast, and not the Void."no more than gnats to a dog" and Void still couldn't break through the forcefield in time. I also don't see what's so impressive about beating a lesser lineup than what WWH faced, OFF PANEL.
Good lord man, a poorly written, whiny Bob burned out WWH. The Void would have destroyed him. We're not talking about WWH anyways though. My point of the scan was that the Siege version of the Void was a sad representation of what the Void really is. All those hero's were meaningless to him. An amped brick like the Hulk would have a horrible time against him.
Yes, good old Bendis. Had Sentry winning against a couple of high heralds, as opposed to just beating a team off panel. What a travesty. His molecule-man fight is a-ok, but not the OTHER bendis-feats.
I agree with you. Most of the appearances that Bendis had the Sentry and Void in were suspect at best. He didnt have the talent to write the character properly and thus had to get rid of him.
I need to explain why showing that you're able to do something doesn't necessarily mean that you can do it into infinity?Cyclops can fire laser beams.
So we go off the assumption that he can fire as many laser beams as he wants to, forever?
Cripes. Your not even making sense. Cyclops can fire laser beams out of his eyes. Thats what he does. Why would he not be able to do that for the duration of his lifetime? A character has shown that he cant die and thats something in his power set. What factors would cause him to lose that ability?
I'm not going to be able to continue debating this with you.
You're under the impression that because you can do something, you can do it forever, without any evidence supporting that.
I'm not going to be able to explain to you why I think that's a logical fallacy.
I can offer you a battlezone match if you want.
Originally posted by janus77
It's simply ridiculous how much you overrate Voidtry.A non-holding-back Hulk out-performed a skyfather, in her own realm. Obliterated said realm and with it the most powerful versions of Wendigo, Bi-Beast, Arch'don, etc etc. Each one of them stacks more powerful than anyone Sentry/Void ever faced during Siege.
WBH is overkill, just GreenScar as he was handling 1000x AMPED Wendigo & Bi-Beast is more than enough to kill Voidtry (again).
Also, if you want to cling to Sentry returning from the dead, then Maestro is proof positive that Hulk is immortal and can always return from even atomic dispersal.
That, by the way, isn't the most powerful Hulk we've seen - WBH is.
So Sentry/Voidtry is screwed, he's never demonstrated power on the scale necessary to even draw WBH's attention and he's never faced anything like the offensive force that WBH brings.
I guess i'm having an issue with how nothing more then a brick (although a powerful brick) is going to beat a character that has the versatility of the Void. Also, remember that the Sentry and the Void are one and the same thus they each share the same powers. I apologize but the Wendigo, Bi-Beast examples dont impress me. Hell, whiny Bob was throwing down with Genis to the point that the output was destroying worlds in the microverse and they were holding back at the time.
If they both can return from the dead and reform from nothing, then I suppose this is a stalemate and the thread should be closed.