Why are people forgetting that even a weakened not in the right mindset MM EASILY took out the sentry with utter ease. In fact, we have NO way of knowing if Sentry would've even been able to come back on his own or in a reasonable amount of time without MM bringing him back. Sentry didn't do it on his own until the last time. SO really if you're tallying up the fights.. it's MM 3.. Sentry 1. Why are we also forgetting that MM seemed to want to die.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSentry came back on his own. He overpowered him at his own game.
Why are people forgetting that even a weakened not in the right mindset MM EASILY took out the sentry with utter ease. In fact, we have NO way of knowing if Sentry would've even been able to come back on his own or in a reasonable amount of time without MM bringing him back. Sentry didn't do it on his own until the last time. SO really if you're tallying up the fights.. it's MM 3.. Sentry 1. Why are we also forgetting that MM seemed to want to die.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why are people forgetting that even a weakened not in the right mindset MM EASILY took out the sentry with utter ease. In fact, we have NO way of knowing if Sentry would've even been able to come back on his own or in a reasonable amount of time without MM bringing him back. Sentry didn't do it on his own until the last time. SO really if you're tallying up the fights.. it's MM 3.. Sentry 1. Why are we also forgetting that MM seemed to want to die.
Your logic is as flawed as it gets.
What Molecule Man did to the Sentry and the others clearly justifies him as a trans-level character at least.
He destroyed the Sentry twice, but after the third time he destroyed him, Sentry figured out what he truly is capable off and from that point Molecule Man was absolutely chanceless. He was hovering in the air, while being in a world of pain and had to do what the Sentry wanted him to do. Then he got sent away by the Sentry.
It's not a 3:1 for the Molecule Man, but a Sentry > Molecule Man by the end of that arc and from that point on as well.
Originally posted by janus77
Sentry whether Voided or not, did not get new powers or increase his powers and we've seen him completely running out of power against a much much much weaker Hulk.
1. Sentry has two different power-sets, when he is either in his Sentry or his Void persona.
2. Sentry realized what his power was based on during the encounter with the Molecule Man - he gained the ability to control it.
3. Sentry was in a weak mental state during his fight with the Hulk, which lowers his power level exponentally and therefore he wore out quicker than usual during the WW Hulk fight.
Originally posted by janus77Due to his mindset. Meh also discovered other powers and was not using his Void powers against the a Hulk which have broken his bones before. 🙂
WBH wins this.MM jobbed out to Sentry, no other answer is rational.
Sentry whether Voided or not, did not get new powers or increase his powers and we've seen him completely running out of power against a much much much weaker Hulk.
Originally posted by Enzeru
1. Sentry has two different power-sets, when he is either in his Sentry or his Void persona.2. Sentry realized what his power was based on during the encounter with the Molecule Man - he gained the ability to control it.
3. Sentry was in a weak mental state during his fight with the Hulk, which lowers his power level exponentally and therefore he wore out quicker than usual during the WW Hulk fight.
Is that why regular Savage Hulk overpowered Sentry with one arm while crushing his chest?
Originally posted by carver9
Is that why regular Savage Hulk overpowered Sentry with one arm while crushing his chest?
Regular Savage Hulk got defeated in a matter of seconds, when it came to an actual fight between them.
Regular Savage Hulk was scared as fuark of the Void - who is Sentry's equal.
Regular Savage Hulk was more than useless in fights against the Void, where Sentry ended up protecting him and everyone else.
Originally posted by carver9
Is that why regular Savage Hulk overpowered Sentry with one arm while crushing his chest?
I would agree that Void breaking Hulk's bones was indeed about mind-set... but not Sentry's.
It was Hulk's.
Hulk was calm, trusting, and Sentry's power-set literally "soothed" Hulk and made him complacent.
Thus reducing Hulk's power-level dramatically.
This is why Richards attempted to emulate the powers of Sentry in WWHulk.
He was using Sentry's "Emotional Control" powers (mimicked via Tech and Reed's brilliant penchant for Prep Time genius) to try to calm Green Scar down again.
Hulk was simply too angry for it to work on him.
Void faced a shell of a Hulk. He broke a mentally challenged version that muttered "Golden Man" at him and followed him around like a love-lost puppy.
When Void broke his bones, Hulk wasn't even mad. He was more Emo than anything.
But when Sentry faced a truly pissed off version of Hulk; he found that emotion control (even on a Cosmic Scale) just wasn't going to cut the bacon.
Richards painfully learned the same lesson just a few issues prior.
Though I will give Sentry credit for this- His "soothing emotional" power-set did help to bring Hulk back from the ragged edge in WWHulk # 5.
If Rick hadn't been stabbed through the chest, I honestly believe that Hulk would have been calm enough to finally end his revenge quest.
He had his hand stretched out to shake ricks, even though Green Gamma Energy was still shining from behind his now "powered down" human form- you could see the Hulk was still in there.
You know he was. He popped right back out the moment he became angry again.
Then he blew the cap off of his effective power level when he hit WB after Sentry was down (no more emotional debuffing) and Rick was stabbed (instant emotional re-charge).
Void vs. WWHulk would not have been a cake walk for Sentry.
Anyone who thinks so is ludicrously out of touch with Green Scar's power-set.
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So yeh... Void crunching Hulk = very little validity when comparing true power levels.
Anyone can kick the crap out of a foe that has no will or desire to fight back.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Void vs. Wwh wouldn't be a cake walk for bob? I would have liked to see regular sentry at his highest actually fighting against wwh. And anyone who thinks that sentry at his highest vs wwh would have ended the same way as it did at the end of wwh is out of touch with bobs powerset.
Sentry battled himself and defeated Void prior to facing Hulk.
And it wouldn't have been "WWHulk" vs. Void.
Hulk loved Sentry. He held back. That much is on panel.
It would have been World Breaker Hulk vs. Void.
HUGE difference.
When you turn off Bob's mental switch, you really should apply the same to Hulk.
Void did not radiate cosmic calm.
If anything; Void radiated cosmic fear, pain, and rage.
That's a Green Scar buffet. All you can eat. WB would be scratching at the door so hard, that I doubt Hulk would have been able to keep himself in check.
WB vs. Void would NOT have been a cake walk for Bob.
That's no disrespect to Sentry. Only respect for Hulk.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Regular Savage Hulk got defeated in a matter of seconds, when it came to an actual fight between them.
Regular Savage Hulk was scared as fuark of the Void - who is Sentry's equal.
Regular Savage Hulk was more than useless in fights against the Void, where Sentry ended up protecting him and everyone else.
When did he get defeated by Sentry without Sentry using his light based powers to calm him?
Void tentacles have a calming effect on Hulk (and paralyzing as well)...so of course he will be able to defeat Savage Hulk.
My point still stands.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Void vs. Wwh wouldn't be a cake walk for bob? I would have liked to see regular sentry at his highest actually fighting against wwh. And anyone who thinks that sentry at his highest vs wwh would have ended the same way as it did at the end of wwh is out of touch with bobs powerset.
That would have been an amazing fight. WWH endured everything that came his way. Void probably would have stopped his rampage...don't know.