Void Sentry VS WorldBreaker Hulk

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He destroyed him like 2 pages before he "learned" this skill...

Just because he learned to control organic molecules, that doesn't make him more powerful. He effortlessly took apart Cap's shield, Mjolnir, and Surfer's board. You think we can apply that to Sentry just because you think his molecular control would have been stronger? Where does it end at that point? Should we apply every feat of MM's to Sentry's as well while we're at it?
Either way, MM's durability hasn't been shown to be the best, and he has iirc absolutely no instances of resisting matter manip.

Sentry ensnared him from behind while applying his powers before Owen had a chance to react. We don't know how MM could have defended against it had he been, you know, ready. If he had some warning, would Sentry have been able to trap him so easily, etc? What we do know though, is if Sentry applies his powers to MM while MM isn't paying attention in the least to Sentry, he can beat him.

And I could show a shit ton of instances where a weaker character beats a stronger by cheapshotting them. In fact, I could probably show you a bunch of scans of weaker sorcerers capturing Dr Strange via the element of surprise.

OK, you're assuming he used it on Loki, then what was the other time in that arc? Also on Loki, he literally impaled Loki and then surrounded his entire body with his currently formless body and then reformed after he destroyed him. That doesn't scream of matter manip to me.
5-8 actually.

Or perhaps he didn't try to attack him like what was shown. Blatant PIS I guess?

Really at the end. Him destroying MM doesn't mean he can simply destroy Thor. Not that he needs it to beat 'heralds', but still. And assuming his defensive ability equals his offensive is baseless.
And I find it really hard to believe he can beat Hulk with this tactic for that matter.

Though he still wins. Wait, nevermind. Worldbreaker. Uh dunno who wins then.

Void stomps. 👆

bran's kinda right, though. owen reese is pretty stupid with his powers cause he's just a dweeb with god-like powers. his girlfriend used to emasculate the shit out of him even when he was half beyonder

I'm pretty sure you're drunk. 👆

Hulk's resistance to matter manip goes up when he gets erngry doesn't it? And at Worldbreaker levels...

I imagine it wouldn't be a factor here. srug

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yup

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

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LIES!

Stupid Obama.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

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Phuckin Thorbag over here. 👇

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Hulk's resistance to matter manip goes up when he gets erngry doesn't it?

Galan, act your age.

Branlor's 10 years younger and he's taking you to the ribhouse.

No idea what that even means.

Reported for trolling. 👆

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
He destroyed him like 2 pages before he "learned" this skill...

Just because he learned to control organic molecules, that doesn't make him more powerful. He effortlessly took apart Cap's shield, Mjolnir, and Surfer's board. You think we can apply that to Sentry just because you think his molecular control would have been stronger? Where does it end at that point? Should we apply every feat of MM's to Sentry's as well while we're at it?
Either way, MM's durability hasn't been shown to be the best, and he has iirc absolutely no instances of resisting matter manip.

Sentry ensnared him from behind while applying his powers before Owen had a chance to react. We don't know how MM could have defended against it had he been, you know, ready. If he had some warning, would Sentry have been able to trap him so easily, etc? What we do know though, is if Sentry applies his powers to MM while MM isn't paying attention in the least to Sentry, he can beat him.

And I could show a shit ton of instances where a weaker character beats a stronger by cheapshotting them. In fact, I could probably show you a bunch of scans of weaker sorcerers capturing Dr Strange via the element of surprise.

OK, you're assuming he used it on Loki, then what was the other time in that arc? Also on Loki, he literally impaled Loki and then surrounded his entire body with his currently formless body and then reformed after he destroyed him. That doesn't scream of matter manip to me.
5-8 actually.

Or perhaps he didn't try to attack him like what was shown. Blatant PIS I guess?

Really at the end. Him destroying MM doesn't mean he can simply destroy Thor. Not that he needs it to beat 'heralds', but still. And assuming his defensive ability equals his offensive is baseless.
And I find it really hard to believe he can beat Hulk with this tactic for that matter.

Though he still wins. Wait, nevermind. Worldbreaker. Uh dunno who wins then.

The writer wanted to show that Sentry surpassed MM in power. This is undeniable. Hell didn't him creating a werewolf convince you? That's a joke by the way.

Better question: why are you talking?

Savage Hulk overpowered matter manipulation when he got angry which was turning him into glass and he angered himself to proper size when a matter manipulator shrunk him.

Grey Gargoyle stuff comes to mind as well.

Just about every character who's had their own series for several years will have some kind of transmutation-resistance feat.

Originally posted by curryman
Grey Gargoyle stuff comes to mind as well.

Just about every character who's had their own series for several years will have some kind of transmutation-resistance feat.

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No, he has better feats.

Having matter manipulation resistance feats doesn't make you immune to matter manipulation. That would be a no limits fallacy.

MM has feats of affecting things that have hella resistance against matter manipulation.

MM power is well beyond a skyfather.

This seems interesting seeing as how the forum has spun.

mmm I forgot about this thread.

In hindsight, Thor wins.