Darth Sidious vs Darth Plagueis

Darth Plagueis (prime powers) vs Darth Sidious (ROTJ and before)

According to James Luceno's back cover, it says Darth Plagueis is the most powerful sithlord. Is this CANON ??

Sidious.

Originally posted by darth venki
Darth Plagueis (prime powers) vs Darth Sidious (ROTJ and before)

According to James Luceno's back cover, it says Darth Plagueis is the most powerful sithlord. Is this CANON ??

Originally posted by juggerman
Sidious.

I think the book said most powerful sithlord 'ever'. Also Luceno said in an interview that if it was a duel, Plagueis may have won.

I know its hard for me as a Sidious fan, but shouldnt we take this as a measure that Plagueis was stronger?

Sidious wins.

Originally posted by Stigma
I think he is up until Sidious kills him, from then on Sidious will surpass him.

I think the book said most powerful sithlord 'ever'. Also Luceno said in an interview that if it was a duel, Plagueis may have won.

I know its hard for me as a Sidious fan, but shouldnt we take this as a measure that Plagueis was stronger?

I have read both. As for your question, no: several sources confirm Sidious as the most powerful ever, Plagueis was the most powerful up until that point.

Yes several sources confirm before the Darth Plagueis novel came out. And it can be argued that Plagueis is most poweful 'ever' since if Sidious could increase his powers, Plagueis (if alive) would have increased too.. SO at the time of his death, he was most poweful and it can be extrapolated too right ?

Yes. Even Sidious at the time of Plagueis's death could be argued to be the strongest.

Originally posted by darth venki
Darth Plagueis (prime powers) vs Darth Sidious (ROTJ and before)

According to James Luceno's back cover, it says Darth Plagueis is the most powerful sithlord. Is this CANON ??

Darth Sidius wins. Plagueis has to sleep at some point.. then GIRK!

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yes. Even Sidious at the time of Plagueis's death could be argued to be the strongest.

Yes but Sidious was uncertain whether he was a level or two behind. as in the book. Also Plagueis was yet to inform Sidious that he had increased his own midi-chlorians. Another important point: Tenebrous robbed Plagueis of his foresight, but still Plagueis could see a faint warning in the book (this is really power). Supposing Plagueis had foresight still, he would have been uber powerful. Its just my opinion.

Sidious was uncertain that he had learned all of Plagueis's secrets. The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia notes that Sidious killed Plagueis upon receiving the skill to do so.

Yet Sidious said to Anakin, that he needs him to find the secret to cheat death after Anakin turned to dark side. So he has not done it yet. In fact he needed clones to survive. And Darth Plagueis knew the Qui-gon method to be one with the force, but this did not appeal to him, he wanted his material self also. Yoda said to Qui-gon that that was a power greater than any. And Plagueis was going beyond that and almost succeded.

What are we discussing?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
What are we discussing?

Well, I was implying that Sidious did not posses the ultimate power over life and death. And that Plagueis power was even better than the Jedi's one with the force thing, which Qui-gon discovered and Yoda commented it was a greatest power.

So it boils down to Plagueis's being the most powerful. I think Lucas intends to keep the fans speculating.

Sidious surpassed Plagueis.

So its your opinion. Cuz, my money is on Plagueis. Because we will never know for sure. However as told in my previous post (from SW canon sources), Plagueis has achieved the greatest power.

ROTS Sidious>Plagueis>/= TPM Sidious

I'd say from ROTS on, Sidious is decidedly above his old master.

I love this quote from the book. It's Plagueis making a 17 year old Palpatine his Sith apprentice after his amazing talk with him..

Plagueis: "Then kneel before me. And pledge that it is your will to join your destiny forever with the Order of the Sith Lords.."

(Young Palpatine kneels and repeats pledge.)

Palgueis: "Then it is done. From this day forward, the truth of you, now and forevermore, will be,.... Sidious. In time, you will come to understand that you are one with the Dark Side of the Force, and that your power is beyond contradiction. But just now, and until I tell you differently, abiding submission is your only road to salvation.."

lol, cool huh?

Meh. Plagueis hasn't held up as well upon subsequent rereads. Definitely above average: Luceno, on his worst day, is still better than a McIntyre, Karpyshyn, or Hood, but it's no The Unifying Force.