Literally anybody arguing that being in an enclosed space and outnumbered is a good thing has never in his life been in a fight where he's outnumbered. It's literally the exact opposite. When you're outnumbered... you want to be in open space not closed. Jesus Christ some people need a course in logic
Originally posted by ROTJ VaderBut if anyone was at a major disadvantage it was Kenobi. It WASN'T impossible for the brothers to move around, heck Maul's the same size as Kenobi and Savage is a little bigger, and Kenobi is stuck between them. So he also can hardly move around.
It was circumstantial. The cave was such a small area that it was impossible for the brothers to move around and Savage was getting in the way of Maul. So it IS circumstantial. Note that before that fight Kenobi says to Hondo "there to powerful Hondo". If it was a flat ground Maul/Savage would destroy Kenobi.
But at the end of the day, the brothers disadvantage of not being able to move around doesn't even compare with the disadvantage of a 2 on 1 situation in that same small area. So PLEASE stop trying to excuse the low showings of Maul and Savage with unfair circumstances going against Kenobi.
Originally posted by ROTJ VaderYou totally ignored what I said about Kenobi having the option to kill Maul...
He got tooled badly in Revenge. At first the fight was even(proabably because Maul wasint in good shape and had just been revived so he was rusty, cancelling out Kenobi being injured). But as the fight progressed Maul wooped ass. Kenobi had to run because he couldint overcome Maul.
Anyway Kenobi was simply struggling to compete with Maul due to the beating he got beforehand which you keep choosing to disagree that it effected his performance.
Originally posted by ROTJ VaderWell he defeated somebody at least.
Kenobi never did ether. He beat Savage. NOT Maul.
Originally posted by ROTJ VaderIf you accept that as a victory, you must also accept Maul & Savage running away from Kenobi as a victory.
And I would consider Kenobi running away a victory for Maul, lets be real.
Originally posted by ROTJ VaderIf that were true, Kenobi would never come that close to defeating the brothers.
I doubt that anyone besides Sidious/Yoda can beat the Brothers for a majority.
Originally posted by ROTJ VaderI don't consider Maul "far superior with the force" just from him using a force push on Kenobi in Revival. Instead I see it as a cowardly move to survive getting his legs cut off again.
No. Maul has proven himself a equal in saber combat to Kenobi and far superior with the force. Maul would beat him for a very large majority.
And for his use of the force on the jedi ship in the same episode, I don't see any evidence of Kenobi not being able to do that as well..
Originally posted by ares834
No doubt. Neither of them were operating at peak proficiency there; Obi-Wan is badly wounded and Maul had basically just regained his sanity.
According to Filoni he lost because he wasn't in the right mind set. So he was always going to lose that fight. It wasn't to do with the slapping around he got. That's why Opress disarmed him so quickly, and there was no beating before that fight.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Literally anybody arguing that being in an enclosed space and outnumbered is a good thing has never in his life been in a fight where he's outnumbered. It's literally the exact opposite. When you're outnumbered... you want to be in open space not closed. Jesus Christ some people need a course in logic
No ones arguing being outnumbered is a good thing. But the enclosed space did give some disadvantages to the duo because they were much larger than Kenobi and didn't have the same room to maneuver that he did.
Notice how Maul wasn't doing any of his usual flips and cartwheels yet Kenobi was.
The duo also had to be careful force pushing Kenobi, because they could hit the other Zabrak while doing that.
Like I keep saying the best fight to judge Maul vs Kenobi is their one on one they had in the same damn episode in which they seemed pretty equal.
If you consider Vader vs Sidious to be a fight, then yeah. He won.
Are you serious?.
Then we have very different definitions of legit victories and loses.
I can't speak on the Sith Hunters battle. But in the others it's been close. I really don't see how you can argue that Maul is firmly above him. They are clearly around a similar level.
Except Maul has ether won or stalemated Kenobi.
Kenobi was surrounded and they were attacking from different directions. How would they be getting in the way of one another?Regardless, in an actual fight it's disadvantageous for the outnumbered as the lose their mobility which is the most important asset when fighting multiple foes.
Savage could barley move in such a small place without hitting Maul. The Novel states this. Also the feat WAS circumstantial dont ignore that when you beat the dead pig.
Or lost.[QUOTE]Nah.
[QUOTE]Not really. Dooku and Ventress were fighting each other as well. Heck, those two seemed more concentrated on each other than on Savage.
The point I was making is by your logic Savage beat both Dooku/Ventress which is why I used Savage Vs Dooku/Ventress. But overall it was Savage Vs Dooku Vs Ventress.
Im not sure what your really getting at. Maul has ether stalemated or defeated Kenobi in all there fights.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
No ones arguing being outnumbered is a good thing. But the enclosed space did give some disadvantages to the duo because they were much larger than Kenobi and didn't have the same room to maneuver that he did.Notice how Maul wasn't doing any of his usual flips and cartwheels yet Kenobi was.
The duo also had to be careful force pushing Kenobi, because they could hit the other Zabrak while doing that.
Like I keep saying the best fight to judge Maul vs Kenobi is their one on one they had in the same damn episode in which they seemed pretty equal.
It doesn't matter if it gives "some" disadvantages to the duo.. it gives MORE disadvantages to the person fighting solo. That is all that matters.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Except Maul has ether won or stalemated Kenobi.
Except for the two fights we have already discussed.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Savage could barley move in such a small place without hitting Maul. The Novel states this. Also the feat WAS circumstantial dont ignore that when you beat the dead pig.
Edit: Ok, checked it out. They get in each others way one time for one attack. And that very scene contradicts the show.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
The point I was making is by your logic Savage beat both Dooku/Ventress which is why I used Savage Vs Dooku/Ventress. But overall it was Savage Vs Dooku Vs Ventress.
Um, no? Just because Savage temporarily chocked them doesn't mean he won.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Im not sure what your really getting at. Maul has ether stalemated or defeated Kenobi in all there fights.
I don't know why you keep insisting on this?
YOU ARE BLATANTLY WRONG HERE!
Yes, you can ***** about circumstances in all the fights Maul lost but this is also true for Kenobi's loses as well. Kenobi wasn't prepared or in good shape for battle in the Revenge and when he gets chocked out by Maul it's at a place strong in the dark side of the force.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
According to Filoni he lost because he wasn't in the right mind set. So he was always going to lose that fight. It wasn't to do with the slapping around he got. That's why Opress disarmed him so quickly, and there was no beating before that fight.
He slipped into unconscious right before the fight. The beating was what he took from Savage. Sure, his mindset played into his loss, but it would obviously not be the only reason.
Except for the two fights we have already discussed.
Fight 1=PIS, count this you must count Vader Vs Sidious as a "win" for Vader. or clones Vs Jedi as a "win" for the clones.
Fight 2=If anything Maul won this.
Buddy.
Edit: Ok, checked it out. They get in each others way one time for one attack. And that very scene contradicts the show.
Its kind of hard to you know move around in a giant cave without hitting each other. That was a CLEAR advantage towards Kenobi.
Um, no? Just because Savage temporarily chocked them doesn't mean he won..
K. Thanks for proving my point.
I don't know why you keep insisting on this?
YOU ARE BLATANTLY WRONG HERE!
Yes, you can ***** about circumstances in all the fights Maul lost but this is also true for Kenobi's loses as well. Kenobi wasn't prepared or in good shape for battle in the Revenge and when he gets chocked out by Maul it's at a place strong in the dark side of the force.
Because what im saying is true. No need to beat the dead pig.
He slipped into unconscious right before the fight. The beating was what he took from Savage. Sure, his mindset played into his loss, but it would obviously not be the only reason.
Yeah...then was fighting and moving normally after that.
Lets not beat the dead pig here or exagerate.,
And I could easily make the case for Maul that he was as just out of shape as Kenobi.