Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Nether did Kenobi. In fact Kenobi has ether stalemated or lost to Maul. He has yet to defeat Maul. If anything Maul was the victor of the fight since it ended with Kenobi on the floor.
Filoni confirms Kenobi won.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
I think its correct, no need to beat the dead pig.Maul=2
Kenobi=0No?.
Nope.
Maul=1
Kenobi=2
Kenobi won in TPM and against the brothers. Maul won in Revenge.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
That all of the above fights, Savage Vs Dooku/Ventress, Savage Vs Anakin/Kenobi(twice!), and Kenobi Vs Maul/Savage have been circumstantial.I dont see what your trying to prove.
Ok? Never denied that. I'm arguing against your ridiculous notion of using that Savage/Kenobi duel as evidence.
Nether did Kenobi. In fact Kenobi has ether stalemated or lost to Maul. He has yet to defeat Maul. If anything Maul was the victor of the fight since it ended with Kenobi on the floor.
When did Filoni state this?. Even if he did it means nothing since it was Kenobi on the floor at the end of the fight.
And lets not even get into the TPM(!) fight. Because Maul won that fight. PIS just kicked in.
Maul has a win in sith hunters and a win in Revenge.
Maul-2
Kenobi-0
Ok? Never denied that. I'm arguing against your ridiculous notion of using that Savage/Kenobi duel as evidence.
Um no. Your missing my point. My point is if your going to use Kenobi Vs Savage/Maul to say Kenobi>Maul then you mightaswell use all the fights with Kenobi Vs Savage to say Savage>Kenobi.
My point is ALL of those fights were circumstantial and none should be used in discussion.
Lets not beat the dead pig here.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
When did Filoni state this?. Even if he did it means nothing since it was Kenobi on the floor at the end of the fight.
At around 14:10.
And ultimately, it was Maul and Savage who fled not Kenobi.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
And lets not even get into the TPM(!) fight. Because Maul won that fight. PIS just kicked in.
Kenobi still ended up winning.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Maul has a win in sith hunters and a win in Revenge.Maul-2
Kenobi-0
So it's 2 to 2.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Um no. Your missing my point. My point is if your going to use Kenobi Vs Savage/Maul to say Kenobi>Maul then you mightaswell use all the fights with Kenobi Vs Savage to say Savage>Kenobi.My point is ALL of those fights were circumstantial and none should be used in discussion.
Lets not beat the dead pig here.
Your argument falls flat on it's face as every fight is circumstantial. We have to analyze to what extant that each fight is. Some, such as the Kenobi/Savage fight are entirely reliant on said circumstance. Others such as the Savage/Brothers fight don't appear to be.
Do I think Kenobi would beat the brothers regularly? No, I don't; that duel seems to be a bit of a fluke. But he didn't win because they were not ready for a fight and caught off guard etc... It was a "fair" duel.
At around 14:10.And ultimately, it was Maul and Savage who fled not Kenobi.
Regardless. It WAS Kenobi who ended face down.
And Maul has beaten Kenobi twice.
Kenobi still ended up winning.
Okay!?. So then I guess Vader beat Sidious by your logic. No?.
Or clones>Jedi.
Lol.
I mean in the end, yeah Vader ended up "beating" Sidious or Kenobi ended up "beating" Maul but those arnt real victories.
There purley circumstantial which is why it shouldint be counted as a victory.
So it's 2 to 2.
Eh, Ill think about Kenobis fight with Maul/Savage. But I still hold Maul is firmly above Kenobi. He did defeat Savage, but not Maul.
Your argument falls flat on it's face as every fight is circumstantial. We have to analyze to what extant that each fight is. Some, such as the Kenobi/Savage fight are entirely reliant on said circumstance. Others such as the Savage/Brothers fight don't appear to be.
Yeah....In a small cramped space were its impossible for Savage and Maul to fight to there fullest extent with fear they might hit eachother.
Fits the bill for circumstantial. Just as much as Savage Vs Kenobi.
Do I think Kenobi would beat the brothers regularly? No,
Good
I don't; that duel seems to be a bit of a fluke. But he didn't win because they were not ready for a fight and caught off guard etc... It was a "fair" duel.
Eh. So was Savage Vs Ventress/Dooku.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Okay!?. So then I guess Vader beat Sidious by your logic. No?.Or clones>Jedi.
Lol.
facepalm
Strawmaning...
I'm not using that duel to prove Kenobi's superiority to Maul. However, it was a duel and Kenobi ultimately won.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Eh, Ill think about Kenobis fight with Maul/Savage. But I still hold Maul is firmly above Kenobi. He did defeat Savage, but not Maul.
And your wrong. There is nothing to support the idea that Maul is firmly above Kenobi. Nothing. One could argue Maul is slightly above Kenobi but rally that's the best I could see.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Yeah....In a small cramped space were its impossible for Savage and Maul to fight to there fullest extent with fear they might hit eachother.
The irony here is that a small enclosed place is actually disadvantageous for the outnumbered. Seriously, if it's 1 v 2 the last thing you want is your mobility to be nullified and to be backed into a corner.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Fits the bill for circumstantial. Just as much as Savage Vs Kenobi.
Nope. Not even close. Kenobi had his attention on Maul when Savage caught him off guard. Nothing like that happened in Kenobi vs Brothers.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Eh. So was Savage Vs Ventress/Dooku.
Never happened. Savage vs Ventress vs Dooku happened.
Ok all Kenobi vs Maul fights so far ended like this:
TPM - Kenobi won- Very Circumstantial victory.
Revenge- Maul won- Circumstantial victory.
Sith Hunters- Maul won - Pretty fair force ownage.
One on one fight in Revival- Draw.
2 on 1 fight in Revival- Victory for Kenobi according to Filoni, although Maul did Ragdoll Kenobi more than once.
So altogether that's 2-2 victories each and 1 draw.
Though I'd say the most reliable fight to go on is the One on One in Revival which resulted in that 1 draw. But the evidence from Sith Hunters and Revival shows Maul is superior in the Force, so he'd probably take a majority Imo.
Strawmaning...I'm not using that duel to prove Kenobi's superiority to Maul. However, it was a duel and Kenobi ultimately won.
Then I guess Vader won over Sidious by your logic. Or Clones over Jedi.
And your wrong. There is nothing to support the idea that Maul is firmly above Kenobi. Nothing. One could argue Maul is slightly above Kenobi but rally that's the best I could see.
Maybe, you know Mauls far better TK and force arsenal?. The fact Maul has defeated Kenobi in all their fights but a circumstantial one?. Not seeing how Maul isint > Kenobi.
The irony here is that a small enclosed place is actually disadvantageous for the outnumbered. Seriously, if it's 1 v 2 the last thing you want is your mobility to be nullified and to be backed into a corner.
No. In such a small place its impossible for Savage to swing his saber without hitting Maul, same for Maul. I mean there huge and Kenobi is not as big. Lets not beat the dead pig, it WAS a huge edge for Kenobi.
Nope. Not even close. Kenobi had his attention on Maul when Savage caught him off guard. Nothing like that happened in Kenobi vs Brothers.
The Cave?.
The fact in all there other fights Maul has, well you know.
Won or stalemated?.
Never happened. Savage vs Ventress vs Dooku happened.
You know what I meant. When Savage TKED both of them. I used it as Savage Vs Ventress/Dooku to symbolize how he fought both.
You know what I mean.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ok all Kenobi vs Maul fights so far ended like this:TPM - Kenobi won- Very Circumstantial victory.
Revenge- Maul won- Circumstantial victory.Sith Hunters- Maul won - Pretty fair force ownage.
One on one fight in Revival- Draw.
2 on 1 fight in Revival- Victory for Kenobi according to Filoni, although Maul did Ragdoll Kenobi more than once.
So altogether that's 2-2 victories each and 1 draw.
Though I'd say the most reliable fight to go on is the One on One in Revival which resulted in that 1 draw. But the evidence from Sith Hunters and Revival shows Maul is superior in the Force, so he'd probably take a majority Imo.
Well put..... But actually we have 2wins for Maul and 1stalemate.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Then I guess Vader won over Sidious by your logic. Or Clones over Jedi.
If you consider Vader vs Sidious to be a fight, then yeah. He won.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
Maybe, you know Mauls far better TK and force arsenal?. The fact Maul has defeated Kenobi in all their fights but a circumstantial one?. Not seeing how Maul isint > Kenobi.
I can't speak on the Sith Hunters battle. But in the others it's been close. I really don't see how you can argue that Maul is firmly above him. They are clearly around a similar level.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
No. In such a small place its impossible for Savage to swing his saber without hitting Maul, same for Maul. I mean there huge and Kenobi is not as big. Lets not beat the dead pig, it WAS a huge edge for Kenobi.
Kenobi was surrounded and they were attacking from different directions. How would they be getting in the way of one another?
Regardless, in an actual fight it's disadvantageous for the outnumbered as the lose their mobility which is the most important asset when fighting multiple foes.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
The fact in all there other fights Maul has, well you know.Won or stalemated?.
Or lost.
Originally posted by ROTJ Vader
You know what I meant. When Savage TKED both of them. I used it as Savage Vs Ventress/Dooku to symbolize how he fought both.You know what I mean.
Not really. Dooku and Ventress were fighting each other as well. Heck, those two seemed more concentrated on each other than on Savage.