Dos Doomsday vs Thor's allies

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'll look through the issue later but I don't remember this, post a scan. What does the Ebony Blade have to do with it?

Yes, yes it is (Transformation to be more specific). Because when the dialogue clearly explains one thing and you say another thing, usually it's someone joking or trolling. You're implying all she did was cut it down the middle.

It doesn't because the feat is legit.

Nope. She was splitting the tree in half. That's not transmuting it, if she'd have transformed it into something else you'd have a case here. Its not a transmutation feat and I can say you are trolling if you are presenting it as such.

Nope. Its just Thor fighting some undead and it wasn't shown to be a major feat for thor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Anyways, Doomsday gets turned into a tree by Amora while he's trying to crush the Asgardian warriors on the front lines.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was transformed in the stone because of Ebony Blade's curse.

Nope. She was splitting the tree in half. That's not transmuting it, if she'd have transformed it into something else you'd have a case here. Its not a transmutation feat and I can say you are trolling if you are presenting it as such.

Nope. Its just Thor fighting some undead and it wasn't shown to be a major feat for thor.
That's rage's dream guys. In reality Doomsday rips the whole team apart.

Nope, she turned him into stone:

And even Doctor Strange found the spell practically unbreakable:

We can get a mod in here if you want. But before we do that, do you acknowledge the fact that Amora was warping/transforming/creation or whatever Skurge's body from the roots of the tree?

Any evidence that Asgardian's (Named ones) are any weaker? Now that I have my JIM collection I have scans of Bor/Balder/Tyr etc. fighting while dead without any diminished effect. As a matter of fact, Tyr displayed his version of the God Blast/Blade while he was in Hel and came off more powerful then ever. 🙂

How will Doomsday counter Enchantress' magic again?

Amora should be used more often, she's a really good character if written right. Her relationship with Heimdall was awesome.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nope, she turned him into stone:

And even Doctor Strange found the spell practically unbreakable:

How will Doomsday counter Enchantress' magic again?

Originally posted by abhilegend
These two are different instances. The one in Defenders was caused by Ebony Blade.

Creating Skurge's body isn't that great of a feat. You claimed she transmuted world tree. That's not the case here.

Haha, really? Now you want me to prove that being dead doesn't decrease your power? Good for Tyr I guess. When did Desak showed that he was immune to godly powers in Avengers Prime again?

With his durability and adaptation. She would get oneshotted before that happens anyway seeing how Doomsday overwhelmed JLA with his speed.

What are you basing this on? Both scans are from Defenders. The second set of scans are from Defenders #8 that I have. I don't have the issue with the first big scan but Doctor Strange fails to break the spell in it too.

Says who? Her magic was creating his body out of the World Tree.

Yes, please prove that being dead does decrease your power, specifically in the case for honored denizens of Hela's realm as they don't physically decay and keep their bodies as of recent history. In the Reigning story line where he was blasted by godly energies.

Post transmutation durability feats please. Yes, Doomsday is going to ignore everyone on the front lines and go straight for Amora who's known for keeping a distance.

So, where's the Bor/Odin scan?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you basing this on? Both scans are from Defenders. The second set of scans are from Defenders #8 that I have. I don't have the issue with the first big scan but Doctor Strange fails to break the spell in it too.

Says who? Her magic was creating his body out of the World Tree.

Yes, please prove that being dead does decrease your power, specifically in the case for honored denizens of Hela's realm as they don't physically decay and keep their bodies as of recent history. In the Reigning story line where he was blasted by godly energies.

Post transmutation durability feats please. Yes, Doomsday is going to ignore everyone on the front lines and go straight for Amora who's known for keeping a distance.

So, where's the Bor/Odin scan?

No, she was splitting the world tree and thus the body was forming. She even points out that its not in her control when Thor asked her to stop.

Being dead does decrease your power since you'd be an undead with your original body destroyed. I can't believe you are asking such a simple question. Nope, hela collects the souls of the dead. Its not their original body. That's why Bor's body crumbled when Hela banished him again to her realm.

Post the transmutation feats of her affecting someone at doomsday's level of durability. As it is, she doesn't have that level of power. Yes, as he is known to attack teams and overwhelming them.

Not yet found. Have patience young thorbag.

DD just charges the team and kicks their asses.

DD should annihilate this team.

Dos Doomsday destroys that team.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Nope, she turned him into stone:

And even Doctor Strange found the spell practically unbreakable:

We can get a mod in here if you want. But before we do that, do you acknowledge the fact that Amora was warping/transforming/creation or whatever Skurge's body from the roots of the tree?

Any evidence that Asgardian's (Named ones) are any weaker? Now that I have my JIM collection I have scans of Bor/Balder/Tyr etc. fighting while dead without any diminished effect. As a matter of fact, Tyr displayed his version of the God Blast/Blade while he was in Hel and came off more powerful then ever. 🙂

How will Doomsday counter Enchantress' magic again?

let me get it straight.
we got freakin doomsday on one side, and on the other side we got rage building some kind of argument that some jersey shore skank will just kiss doomsday and turn him into stone? wtf? and i thought he only creams thor.

facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its from a different comic which I'm failing to recall but the one with Dr. Strange is definitely due to Ebony Blade's curse.

No, she was splitting the world tree and thus the body was forming. She even points out that its not in her control when Thor asked her to stop.

Being dead does decrease your power since you'd be an undead with your original body destroyed. I can't believe you are asking such a simple question. Nope, hela collects the souls of the dead. Its not their original body. That's why Bor's body crumbled when Hela banished him again to her realm.

Post the transmutation feats of her affecting someone at doomsday's level of durability. As it is, she doesn't have that level of power. Yes, as he is known to attack teams and overwhelming them.

Not yet found. Have patience young thorbag.

Both scan are from Defenders and both involve Doctor Strange failing to break Enchantress' spell. Again, some evidence.

Why do you insist on ignoring on panel evidence? Her magic was running wild at that point (She was a bit crazy at the time) but that's besides the point.

Again, based on what evidence are Asgardian's any weaker then the dead when they retain their power and still get physical bodies? Please post scans. Also, we've seen confirmation that Bor's powers are no less when he removed the Disir's curse:

She affected Thor easily enough so she definitely does. She also killed the Hulk with a spell:

Doomsday is known for attacking the nearest targets. Why would he ignore the dozen warriors charging him for Amora?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Both scan are from Defenders and both involve Doctor Strange failing to break Enchantress' spell. Again, some evidence.

Why do you insist on ignoring on panel evidence? Her magic was running wild at that point (She was a bit crazy at the time) but that's besides the point.

Again, based on what evidence are Asgardian's any weaker then the dead when they retain their power and still get physical bodies? Please post scans. Also, we've seen confirmation that Bor's powers are no less when he removed the Disir's curse:

She affected Thor easily enough so she definitely does. She also killed the Hulk with a spell:

Doomsday is known for attacking the nearest targets. Why would he ignore the dozen warriors charging him for Amora?

I would read the comic as soon as I get the time. I don't trust anything you say at this point regarding asgardians.

I can't access the scans for some reason. Its the same glitch as before. Have you photobucket links for them?

And that hulk was far weaker as he told abomination in IH 270.

Hulk no sold Enchantress recently and oneshotted her.

He goes for the team, each and every one. He attacked blue beetle who was slinking too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was later explained as Ebony Blade's blood curse being responsible for the reason his soul was cast away from the body and that's why the spell was nearly unbreakable. When the curse was removed Strange easily broke the spell IIRC.

I would read the comic as soon as I get the time. I don't trust anything you say at this point regarding asgardians.

I can't access the scans for some reason. Its the same glitch as before. Have you photobucket links for them?

And that hulk was far weaker as he told abomination in IH 270.

Hulk no sold Enchantress recently and oneshotted her.

He goes for the team, each and every one. He attacked blue beetle who was slinking too.

What are you talking about? Right after Doctor Strange got the Evil Eye so he could use it's awesome power to undo Amora's spell, the Black Knight's spirit was transported into the past and his body was left in stone in the present. Can I please have a reference number because it seems like you're making this stuff up to me.

Go ahead and read the comic then.

Here:

Amora's also mind controlled the Hulk easily IIRC and during Secret Wars she also used telepathy or some charm to knock him out like a light. Which brings up another point, what can DOS Doomsday do against a mental assault when Amora can chump Xavier?

Yes, with time. But Amora just needs to wave her hand and no way is Doomsday going to ignore everyone on the front lines, especially since someone like Valkyrie can cut him up just fine with Dragonfang.

For the record, the last time we saw Amora she cast a spell powerful enough to really hurt even the amped Hela. She also able to block hits from the Twilight Sword.

Not really seeing how Doomsday can win this unless he speed blitzes Amora first.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What are you talking about? Right after Doctor Strange got the Evil Eye so he could use it's awesome power to undo Amora's spell, the Black Knight's spirit was transported into the past and his body was left in stone in the present. Can I please have a reference number because it seems like you're making this stuff up to me.

Go ahead and read the comic then.

Here:

Amora's also mind controlled the Hulk easily IIRC and during Secret Wars she also used telepathy or some charm to knock him out like a light. Which brings up another point, what can DOS Doomsday do against a mental assault when Amora can chump Xavier?

Yes, with time. But Amora just needs to wave her hand and no way is Doomsday going to ignore everyone on the front lines, especially since someone like Valkyrie can cut him up just fine with Dragonfang.

His spirit was stranded because of Ebony Blade's curse IIRC. Anyway turning Black Knight into stone isn't indicative of her transmuting Doomsday.

Quite busy atm to do that.

Where did they say anything you claimed? Saying only Bor could break the curse means he was at full power when it was Bor himself who had cursed him? How about the fact that Loki warning Disir to not kill Bor?

Cap also no sold her just a page later and KTFO her with a punch after she couldn't land a shot on him. If someone like cap can overwhelm her with his speed, doomsday would rip her apart. Hulk was very susceptible to mental suggestions since Banner was in control of him at that point. Both Maxima and J'onn probed his mind and found nothing to attack, Enchantress is surely not seducing him.

Nope. Immediately and Amora wouldn't even hit him if Cap was too fast for her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
His spirit was stranded because of Ebony Blade's curse IIRC. Anyway turning Black Knight into stone isn't indicative of her transmuting Doomsday.

Quite busy atm to do that.

Where did they say anything you claimed? Saying only Bor could break the curse means he was at full power when it was Bor himself who had cursed him? How about the fact that Loki warning Disir to not kill Bor?

Cap also no sold her just a page later and KTFO her with a punch after she couldn't land a shot on him. If someone like cap can overwhelm her with his speed, doomsday would rip her apart. Hulk was very susceptible to mental suggestions since Banner was in control of him at that point. Both Maxima and J'onn probed his mind and found nothing to attack, Enchantress is surely not seducing him.

Nope. Immediately and Amora wouldn't even hit him if Cap was too fast for her.

POST SCANS. Or at least a reference issue, this entire time you have no backed up any claim you've made or any story brought up. Also, if Doctor Strange with his resources could not break the spell, Doomsday is going to resist her magic with no feats? Wow. Talk about bias.

So you think Bor using his powers to break a curse that he created at his height is not indicative that he still has his power? The Disir can kill Bor, yes. So, when are you going to post a scan indicating that beings Hela summons are any weaker then normal when it's been conclusively proven they keep their powers?

What do you mean Captain America no sold her? Based on what encounters was that Hulk vulnerable to mental attacks? For the record, Enchantress controlled the Savage Hulk too IIRC.

Yes, because Doomsday is known for dodging attacks and jumping around his opponents. Also ignoring the closer combatants such as Valkyrie, Balder, Heimdall etc. 😐

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[b]POST SCANS. Or at least a reference issue, this entire time you have no backed up any claim you've made or any story brought up. Also, if Doctor Strange with his resources could not break the spell, Doomsday is going to resist her magic with no feats? Wow. Talk about bias.

So you think Bor using his powers to break a curse that he created at his height is not indicative that he still has his power? The Disir can kill Bor, yes. So, when are you going to post a scan indicating that beings Hela summons are any weaker then normal when it's been conclusively proven they keep their powers?

What do you mean Captain America no sold her? Based on what encounters was that Hulk vulnerable to mental attacks? For the record, Enchantress controlled the Savage Hulk too IIRC.

Yes, because Doomsday is known for dodging attacks and jumping around his opponents. Also ignoring the closer combatants such as Valkyrie, Balder, Heimdall etc. 😐 [/B]

Bor created the curse at the height of his power? Where was that stated? Where did you prove that they had the powers in those undead bodies when Hela summoned them because Bendis doesn't even acknowledge his own writing at times, much less acknowledge the writing of a future issue. You are again arguing about a past issue using evidence from a future issue. SMH.

He wasn't controlled by her charms.

He has overwhelmed superman with his speed. Enchantress might as well be a statue compared to that. He would scatter them like a flea in just a blitz. Have you even read DOS?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Like I said, I'm too busy at the moment to download comics and post the scans at my office. Yeah, turning a human into stone means you can turn anybody into stone. Talk about bias.

Bor created the curse at the height of his power? Where was that stated? Where did you prove that they had the powers in those undead bodies when Hela summoned them because Bendis doesn't even acknowledge his own writing at times, much less acknowledge the writing of a future issue. You are again arguing about a past issue using evidence from a future issue. SMH.

He wasn't controlled by her charms.

He has overwhelmed superman with his speed. Enchantress might as well be a statue compared to that. He would scatter them like a flea in just a blitz. Have you even read DOS?

Tell me the issue number then and I'll post it. No, but turning a human with a spell strong enough that Strange can't counter surely is enough evidence against a featless character.

He created the curse when he was alive and that's about as powerful as he was allowed to get before his death at Thor's hands. Because I already proved that denizens of Hela's realm keep their powers. At least I'm providing evidence of some kind and canon is canon. So: when are you going to post a scan indicating that beings Hela summons are any weaker then normal when it's been conclusively proven they keep their powers?

Before Enchantress can throw up a force field or even use a spell even though there are a dozen other warriors on the field? Shit, how much faster do you think Booster Gold is then Amora: