Dos Doomsday vs Thor's allies

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tell me the issue number then and I'll post it. No, but turning a human with a spell strong enough that Strange can't counter surely is enough evidence against a featless character.

He created the curse when he was alive and that's about as powerful as he was allowed to get before his death at Thor's hands. Because I already proved that denizens of Hela's realm keep their powers. At least I'm providing evidence of some kind and canon is canon. So: [b]when are you going to post a scan indicating that beings Hela summons are any weaker then normal when it's been conclusively proven they keep their powers?

Before Enchantress can throw up a force field or even use a spell even though there are a dozen other warriors on the field? Shit, how much faster do you think Booster Gold is then Amora:
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At the end its just a transmutation feat of turning a human into stone, nothing major transmutation wise.

Where was it stated that he created the curse when he was alive?

Yeah, posting a scan from a future comic to prove something from a past comic. Why wasn't Desak immune to godly powers then, why didn't Enchanters took control of mjolnir then? Why did Bor's body crumbled when Hela banished him? You want to suggest that Thor is more powerful than Odin force thor or King Thor, you better produce proof from the same comic, not from a future comic and from a different writer. Heck, Bendis shat on Thor just after that and his Thor was never such a powerhouse. Amora did better than him against Hela FFS.

He is certainly faster than Captain America.

She-hulk also oneshotted Enchantress in Secret Wars.

"Slow enough to let me".

Also Booster's legion ring boosts his reaction speed.

team could make him work, but no one has the ability to put dd down for the count. speed would be a massive advantage for dd. amora has some decent feats, and would be the only real 'threat' but generally speaking she has terrible durability and has been shown to be slow. using standard, general depictions, can't see this team winning this unless we go the current uberzzz versionzzz of val. which is still weird to me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its the same Avengers Defenders war TPB. The spell was potent enough that Strange couldn't counter it but that has happened many times, even against minor magicians. Just ask bran about it. vin

At the end its just a transmutation feat of turning a human into stone, nothing major transmutation wise.

Where was it stated that he created the curse when he was alive?

Yeah, posting a scan from a future comic to prove something from a past comic. Why wasn't Desak immune to godly powers then, why didn't Enchanters took control of mjolnir then? Why did Bor's body crumbled when Hela banished him? You want to suggest that Thor is more powerful than Odin force thor or King Thor, you better produce proof from the same comic, not from a future comic and from a different writer. Heck, Bendis shat on Thor just after that and his Thor was never such a powerhouse. Amora did better than him against Hela FFS.

He is certainly faster than Captain America.

She-hulk also oneshotted Enchantress in Secret Wars.

"Slow enough to let me".

Also Booster's legion ring boosts his reaction speed.

I don't have the TPB, but the regular comics. Give me an issue number. So now it's lowballing Doctor Strange? Well let me know how many magicians have casually created a spell so potent, that Strange even in his Sanctum with his resources could not break it and needs an ultimate weapon like the Evil Eye.

It wasn't stated, it was shown:

Because canon is canon but we knew that Hela's honored subjects keep their bodies as far back as when Hulk died and went to her realm, which was like in the 90's. facepalm Desak was never hit with Godly Energies and Mjolnir wasn't even around at the time. Enough with the red herrings. Do you have any scans indicating that honored dead are any weaker then when they were alive, yes or no? If not your only other recourse is to call the feat PIS because the evidence against your stance just piles up and you haven't provided anything. 🙂

But Captain America was actively dodging and is more agile then Doomsday. Have you read DOS? Then you know very well that Doomsday charged at you and ate everything to the face.

The difference between you and me seems to be that I'm treating Doomsday as he was written, and not as you think he should be.

Originally posted by leonidas
team could make him work, but no one has the ability to put dd down for the count. speed would be a massive advantage for dd. amora has some decent feats, and would be the only real 'threat' but generally speaking she has terrible durability and has been shown to be slow. using standard, general depictions, can't see this team winning this unless we go the current uberzzz versionzzz of val. which is still weird to me.

How is Doomsday going to counter Amora's magic? She can shield herself with energy and it wouldn't even be hard to hit Doomsday with a spell as he just tanks everything in DOS.

Originally posted by leonidas
team could make him work, but no one has the ability to put dd down for the count. speed would be a massive advantage for dd. amora has some decent feats, and would be the only real 'threat' but generally speaking she has terrible durability and has been shown to be slow. using standard, general depictions, can't see this team winning this unless we go the current uberzzz versionzzz of val. which is still weird to me.

Team wins 8/10.

Yea, I have no idea why people are sleeping on Enchantress. She's a glass canon but she's crazy powerful and can create defenses if she has to.

I remember when she reversed time with ease but didn't she also stop time at one point?

as i said, she does have some good feats, and would be the only threat. however, as easily as i can see her beating hela, i could as easily seeing her getting ko'd by a thunderclap. which is why i said if the characters battle as they generally do (and i for one certainly don't believe her beating hela is a 'standard' version of amora...) dd wins this for a heavy majority. if we go with a high end amora, it basically comes down to her vs dd. could she put him down? sure, but which spell in particular do you see her using? (time manip is also something she uses exceedingly rarely....)

Team, barely.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How is Doomsday going to counter Amora's magic? She can shield herself with energy and it wouldn't even be hard to hit Doomsday with a spell as he just tanks everything in DOS.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Team, barely.

DD stomps their ass easily. He can one shot most of them before they can blink.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD stomps their ass easily. He can one shot most of them before they can blink.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't have the TPB, but the regular comics. Give me an issue number. So now it's lowballing Doctor Strange? Well let me know how many magicians have casually created a spell so potent, that Strange even in his Sanctum with his resources could not break it and needs an ultimate weapon like the Evil Eye.

It wasn't stated, it was shown:

Because canon is canon but we knew that Hela's honored subjects keep their bodies as far back as when Hulk died and went to her realm, which was like in the 90's. facepalm Desak was never hit with Godly Energies and Mjolnir wasn't even around at the time. Enough with the red herrings. Do you have any scans indicating that honored dead are any weaker then when they were alive, yes or no? If not your only other recourse is to call the feat PIS because the evidence against your stance just piles up and you haven't provided anything. 🙂

But Captain America was actively dodging and is more agile then Doomsday. Have you read DOS? Then you know very well that Doomsday charged at you and ate everything to the face.

The difference between you and me seems to be that I'm treating Doomsday as he was written, and not as you think he should be.

I don't have the actual comic with me since my laptop crashed. I would try to find it online but there is so much workload on me, its getting difficult to log on kmc, much less download comics and read them. Sorry.

Again, using future comics to prove something from past is becoming a habit of yours. Why don't you show the proof from the comic itself? Oh, wait you have none. Hulk died and went to hela's realm with his body? When? What is this crap about honored dead? Hela collects souls of the diseased. It has shown numerous times. Also its not my burden to prove they were less powerful, its your burden to prove they were as powerful under the same writer. You know how comics work, don't you?

What about She-hulk? Is she more agile than Doomsday too?

Haha, really? In the way he was written and the majority of time Enchantress appears, he would oneshot her with her crappy durability. The way you are talking about her, she might as well be invincible in comics.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't have the actual comic with me since my laptop crashed. I would try to find it online but there is so much workload on me, its getting difficult to log on kmc, much less download comics and read them. Sorry.

Again, using future comics to prove something from past is becoming a habit of yours. Why don't you show the proof from the comic itself? Oh, wait you have none. Hulk died and went to hela's realm with his body? When? What is this crap about honored dead? Hela collects souls of the diseased. It has shown numerous times. Also its not my burden to prove they were less powerful, its your burden to prove they were as powerful under the same writer. You know how comics work, don't you?

What about She-hulk? Is she more agile than Doomsday too?

Haha, really? In the way he was written and the majority of time Enchantress appears, he would oneshot her with her crappy durability. The way you are talking about her, she might as well be invincible in comics.

So you made a claim and can't back it up? If you have time to respond on multiple boards, you have time to use google. As a matter of fact, I tried to look up this information myself and can't find anything on it.

Canon is canon brah, but I already proved they keep their bodies. Hulk #422 and #423. He was eaten but when he went to Hel he still kept his body and was actually giving her army problems for days. By honored dead, I mean beings who seemingly don't decay over time like Bor, Balder, Tyr, Thor etc. when dead and even though they are dead, can still die through sufficient damage unlike the zombie/undead hordes. It was blatantly clear what Bendis' intention was but since you don't agree with my interpretation and this is a subjective thing, all that's left is cold, hard, evidence. 🙂

Now I've posted, more then sufficient evidence to establish a pattern. Scans of beings with bodies being any weaker then before when in Hel please?

Maybe if he got the drop on her or she was alone, but not when there's canon fodder to keep him occupied and they start .5km away from each other.

Hmm, She-Hulk never dodged anything from Amora.

For the record, Amora was piss ass drunk and depressed over Thor right before the fight with Captain America:

She was hardly on her A-game.

If the Thor brigade doesn't start mentioning Volstagg, I'm closing this thread and declaring DD the winner. sneer

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So you made a claim and can't back it up? If you have time to respond on multiple boards, you have time to use google. As a matter of fact, I tried to look up this information myself and can't find anything on it.

Canon is canon brah, but I already proved they keep their bodies. Hulk #422 and #423. He was eaten but when he went to Hel he still kept his body and was actually giving her army problems for days. By honored dead, I mean beings who seemingly don't decay over time like Bor, Balder, Tyr, Thor etc. when dead and even though they are dead, can still die through sufficient damage unlike the zombie/undead hordes. It was blatantly clear what Bendis' intention was but since you don't agree with my interpretation and this is a subjective thing, all that's left is cold, hard, evidence. 🙂

Now I've posted, more then sufficient evidence to establish a pattern. Scans of beings with bodies being any weaker then before when in Hel please?

Maybe if he got the drop on her or she was alone, but not when there's canon fodder to keep him occupied and they start .5km away from each other.

Hmm, She-Hulk never dodged anything from Amora.

Not for past stories from a different writer. You want to prove they were as powerful as before, post a proof from that comic when we saw Bor's body crumble when Hela banished him after he tried to attack her. Not from a future comic.

Nope, you haven't.

Doomsday was traversing miles in a single bound and even superman was struggling to keep up with him. .5 km is nothing for him.

Yeah, no.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who said I can't back it up? I just don't have the time to do it right now.

Not for past stories from a different writer. You want to prove they were as powerful as before, post a proof from that comic when we saw Bor's body crumble when Hela banished him after he tried to attack her. Not from a future comic.

Nope, you haven't.

Doomsday was traversing miles in a single bound and even superman was struggling to keep up with him. .5 km is nothing for him.

Yeah, no.

But you have time to make multiple replies and post scans of other comics? If you can't post any references or scans, you can't back it up or you just made it up. Just like you made up Odin getting his power from Bor. This is getting pathetic bro. 🙁

So neither past stories or future stories count as evidence now? Comics exist in isolated continuity bubbles? 😂 Sucks to be you, stories must be so boring.

Amora didn't even blast Jen.

Yes, Doomsday is going to leap over the distance, kill the soldies on the front line all while Amora watches helplessly. 😬

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But you have time to make multiple replies and post scans of other comics? If you can't post any references or scans, you can't back it up or you just made it up. Just like you made up Odin getting his power from Bor. This is getting pathetic bro. 🙁

So neither past stories or future stories count as evidence now? Comics exist in isolated continuity bubbles? 😂 Sucks to be you, stories must be so boring.

Amora didn't even blast Jen.

Yes, Doomsday is going to leap over the distance, kill the soldies on the front line all while Amora watches helplessly. 😬

What past stories did you mention here about Bor here? You didn't explain what this "honored dead" crap is.

Because she was too slow. She-hulk is faster than doomsday I guess.

Yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm just typing some short replies from my phone. Usually I post longer replies than this.

What past stories did you mention here about Bor here? You didn't explain what this "honored dead" crap is.

Because she was too slow. She-hulk is faster than doomsday I guess.

Yes.

You've been posting just fine and even scans just moments ago. Now you're on the phone? Shit, that's impressive. 😬

I brought up the Hulk as evidence that souls Hela claims still keep their bodies and such. Actually, now that I think about it, some beings kept bodies in Hel even as far back as Simonson's run. And it's definitely the case in current continuity. As a matter of fact, Balder and Kelda returned to the land of the living simply by going through a portal, there wasn't even a process.

It's how I differentiated between the ones who kept their bodies and did not.

How can she be? Doomsday can apparently speed blitz kill the entire time before Amora can even throw a spell or shield up. Unlike Booster Gold. 😬