Superman vs Wonder Woman & Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by Q99
He was still doing advanced stuff like rapid-fire heatvision while at Super speed and such, using the environment like trying to throw her into the sun, actively avoiding her weapons, etc.. He didn't lose his intelligence just because he was full of rage, and we saw him use his powers and tactics on a good level during the fight.

Like I said, the grief made him fight overly aggressively, he would've normally been more defensive in stance, but he still very much was fighting well.

Rucka said Superman was out of his mind with rage and grief. Maxwell Lord had been in his mind plenty already, making him see things and influencing his mental state.

He was mentally compromised. Yes, he showed a varied use of his powers, but the fact remains that his attitude and his demeanour were almost completely contrary to his long-established behaviour in combat.

You want to argue that Superman wasn't restraining his strength? Sure, go ahead.

It isn't, however, usable as an example of Superman operating at peak efficiency, or even close to it.

Originally posted by Q99
He was fighting overly-aggressively, but we saw him use his powers in well in combination, and they were at full power.

He was mentally compromise in the sense of thinking Diane was an enemy and being very angry, but that doesn't mean he was fighting badly in any sense.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its like nobody knows how superman's powers work. It was established from start that Superman needs his brain in his control to fully use his powers.

Its not the matter of being hindered by mindcontrol as most characters, he literally can't access his full powers if he is mindcontrolled.

Lol precrisis scan.

Team 8/10

Superman 8/10

Originally posted by carver9
Lol precrisis scan.

Oh carver, its from Action Comics 586.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Haha. He punched her only once in that fight while affected by kryptonite and KTFO her.
Why are they handicapped? I made all three go all out, didn't I? Quit whining because you had to give superman wins.

how did he handicap them?

JBL why don't you get over abhi?

Originally posted by JBL
You made a thread in which you handicapped two fighters so that superman can win, first you say that WW used all her strength and lost while saying that superman blitzed the same person and koed him in an attempt to show superman as the better, then you say that an all out MM is a myth?? Your purpose from the start is that superman wins, so why create the thread when you want superman to win no matter what. People can vote for the team, but you who starts the thread wants superman to win, thats why hes OWAW and you lowball WW and MM in a thread you created. Exposed yet again dude. You say that MM goes all out then turn around and say that an all out MM is a myth?????? REALLY DUDE? WOW!

I said all out J'onn is a myth as a joke. You get pretty upset that superman wins against any character, I get it. Need a shoulder to cry on?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
how did he handicap them?

JBL why don't you get over abhi?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did I handicap them in the first place? This is what happened in the comic, I don't need to give you an explanation to why and how it happened. If you are so upset that Superman trumped wonder woman, go cry to someone who cares.

I said all out J'onn is a myth as a joke. You get pretty upset that superman wins against any character, I get it. Need a shoulder to cry on?

I don't need to put any love for Superman aside to see Abhi is insane. I did give the team the win in the first scenario, so I don't see the whole 'you defend Supes so you don't see it." I am not defending Abhi. I however think you're a little too invested in this whole thing. Having said that I still don't see how he handicapped the team in scenario 2.

This is superman against Bizarro after Diana fails to restrain one of his arms.

A heck of a blitz.

Did abhi have an agenda when he made the thread? He sure did.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't need to put any love for Superman aside to see Abhi is insane. I did give the team the win in the first scenario, so I don't see the whole 'you defend Supes so you don't see it." I am not defending Abhi. I however think you're a little too invested in this whole thing. Having said that I still don't see how he handicapped the team in scenario 2.

Originally posted by JBL
Superman wins against any character? You tell on yourself. Answer this, Who do you think wins? Is OWAW superman above WW and MM? If so, then why use him against these two if you know he would stomp both??

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't need to put any love for Superman aside to see Abhi is insane.

crying2

Originally posted by JBL
So you think an OWAW superman against a WW that he said got beat by a person that regular superman koed and a MM going all out is a myth is not a handicapped match? He is on purpose using a superman with a very high showing against a WW with a low showing and a MM that he himself states is a myth. Now he claims hes joking when exposed. You dont see that?

He is using a high end showing for Superman and showing low showings for Diana. People do that shit all the time here.

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So who wins this fight iyo, abhi?

Originally posted by JBL
So you think an OWAW superman against a WW that he said got beat by a person that regular superman koed and a MM going all out is a myth is not a handicapped match? He is on purpose using a superman with a very high showing against a WW with a low showing and a MM that he himself states is a myth. Now he claims hes joking when exposed. You dont see that?

Why don't you post an all out wonder woman and all out J'onn's feats here. I've posted wonder woman's feat at full strength, I don't know so much about J'onn so I didn't. You are pretty sure that the team curbstomps superman as usual, so you must've some feats that prove so. Right? So lets see those feats. Or are you just here to bash superman fans?

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Did abhi have an agenda when he made the thread? He sure did.

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Originally posted by Zack Fair
No its not. Putting stipulations like "no lasso/tiara/bracers" and "no telepathy/intangibility" is handicapping the team. Or having their normal selves fight OWAW Superman. What you're describing sounds more like spite.

He is using a high end showing for Superman and showing low showings for Diana. People do that shit all the time here.

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So who wins this fight iyo, abhi?

I don't see how outperforming someone is using high end showing. It would be like using Superman vs Doomsday and then using Wonder Woman vs Deathstroke. That's what high showing vs low showing look like.

I'm not going to answer my own thread. That's rude.

uhuh

I agree. I was getting carried away. It wasn't really a low showing for Diana. Superman himself has stated/implied Bizarro is even stronger than him., did he not?

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Why don't you post an all out wonder woman and all out J'onn's feats here. I've posted wonder woman's feat at full strength, I don't know so much about J'onn so I didn't. You are pretty sure that the team curbstomps superman as usual, so you must've some feats that prove so. Right? So lets see those feats. Or are you just here to bash superman fans?