Originally posted by The_Tempest
I believe that Revan, Bane, and Palpatine all demonstrate an inordinate and unrealistically high mastery of the Force for their respective ages and duration of study when compared to extraordinarily long-lived scholars such as Vitiate and Yoda. Or perhaps Vitiate and Yoda demonstrate an appalling lack of mastery in spite of those long years of study.
Do they really? Vitiate has demonstrated his own share of ability in the sith arts, creating perpetual lightning storms around his fortress, and absorbing every being on a planet, purging it of the Force and color, and making himself immortal. Yoda hasn't really had much opportunity to demonstrate his Force knowledge.
Consider that, as Nephthys pointed out, Bane surpassed in alarmingly short time the entirety of Korriban's masters. And, in his estimation, Revan's singular Holocron transcended the teachings of Korriban's entire academy. Revan who was only a Sith Lord for, what? A year? Two? Three? And yet he demonstrates greater knowledge and understanding of the dark arts than lifelong Sith?
The Brotherhood of Sith was full of weaklings. Yoda and Vitiate are neither weaklings, nor stupid.
Originally posted by Master Han
Do they really? Vitiate has demonstrated his own share of ability in the sith arts, creating perpetual lightning storms around his fortress, and absorbing every being on a planet, purging it of the Force and color, and making himself immortal. Yoda hasn't really had much opportunity to demonstrate his Force knowledge.
In other words, Vitiate has only demonstrated knowledge on par with Palpatine, despite having more than 14x the amount of time Sidious had to study and much less the amount of material to cover.
All that is to say that yes, Vitiate's level of knowledge is impressive... unless you factor in the time he had to obtain it, in which case it's considerably underwhelming next to Sidious, who rivals him in terms of knowledge in a fraction of the time.
Or for an admittedly clumsy but hopefully simple analogy off the cuff, who is more impressive? A married workoholic with kids who obtains his black belt in 5 years or a single, jobless guy who gets his in 15?
In this case, both Vitiate and Palpatine are black belts. Both are said to possess immense knowledge of the Force. But Vitiate should have far greater knowledge than Sidious, who had a fraction of the time to study it, an incomparable workload due to political and covert operations, and considerably more to study.
And yet Vitiate only demonstrates comparable mastery instead of vastly superior.
Originally posted by Master Han
The Brotherhood of Sith was full of weaklings. Yoda and Vitiate are neither weaklings, nor stupid.
That still doesn't explain how Revan and Bane came to eclipse many of their rivals and predecessors in terms of knowledge despite a fairly insignificant amount of time to obtain it. Clearly "time studied" in Star Wars doesn't weigh in with real world implications.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
In other words, Vitiate has only demonstrated knowledge on par with Palpatine, despite having more than 14x the amount of time Sidious had to study and much less the amount of material to cover.
I dunno man, the weird shit he does with spreading his consciousness over hundreds of beings, while housing his power and consciousness in his Voice is pretty legit, all while boosting his Imperial Guards with his power. Not to mention his big Doomsday ritual that could absorb the galaxy. And all this is just things he made up, while Palpatine seems to just horde old knowledge.
Originally posted by Nephthys
SWTORE says that if the ritual had gone off, it would have worked and 'the Emperor will conquer death itself and become the most powerful being in all of galactic history.'
Doesn't this imply that he isn't the most powerful being in galactic history, and that he isn't truly immortal?
Urgh:
"Aided by his powerful, secretive, and far-reaching power base, the Emperor pulls strings across the galaxy to carry out his master stroke - the details of which only he knows. Should he suceed in his plans, the Emperor will conquer death itself and become the most powerful being in all of galactic history."
Another one says:
"Lord Scourge reveals the Emperor's true goal for the war: to complete a Sith ritual that will grant him unlimited power and immortality by eradicating all life in the galaxy."
And **** you for making me type that up.
The Book of Sith reveals he plagiarized his Force Storms from Malgus' teachings. hmph
Hmm, he also claims Malgus' battlefield feats have never been duplicated. Does that suggest they surpass his own? Doubtful. mmm
Originally posted by Master Han
Doesn't this imply that he isn't the most powerful being in galactic history, and that he isn't truly immortal?
He isn't. The World Razor and Lo'tekk are much more powerful than him. He is immortal though, just not unkillable.