Thor and the Destroyer vs Ghost Rider and Spawn

Originally posted by the ninjak
And as I said GR is a higher level of being than Loki.

Loki controlled the armor. You think GR is not a "magical" being? He's an Archangel!

Can you imagine the carnage GR would have wrought if he was on the Helicarrier?

Loki only controlled the armor because he was recognized as king of Asgard while Odin slept. The Destroyer armor (as far as movie version go) only responds to the ruler of Asgard.

GR controlling an inanimate machine is very different from him trying to wrestle control over a machine that's already being controlled (magically) by another mind.

Originally posted by the ninjak
With Ghost Rider in control of the Destroyer the question is whether he can take out Thor.

However GR is not in control of the Destroyer and thats not what this thread about. Lets keep it on point. No chance in hell GR ever is able to control the destroyer.

Thor wins

Fair enough.

Can't blame a guy for trying. Ghost Rider meets his match here.

Ghost Rider > Thor, you bunch of fanboys.

The Destroyer is the unknown here if GR would be able to destroy it with his hell-spawned powers or not. GR is able to control inanimate objects, so there's an argument to be made if GR would be able to possess the Destroyer and control it, as he does other machinery, but that's a big if.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Loki made a deal with their king, do you have any proof that 1) Thor actually killed any of them and 2) The ones he killed were innocent?

1) Didn't Thor throw his hammer thru one of them. That would probably be a kill right there. His allies were killing as well iirc but honestly it's been a while since i've seen it
2)Their King and Loki had a secret pact. No reason to believe all his followers knew about it. Most likely a select few, like the ones that invaded Asgard

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
lol and double triple lol, @thor being a murderer.. if he were than he would have gotten back his power when Odin taught him humility

lol and double triple lol @ YOU! Can you even tell me what makes one "Worthy" in Odin's eyes? How can you then assert that murder might be a disqualifying factor? 😛

Originally posted by FrothByte
We don't exactly see Thor "kill" anyone of them. Thor picked a fight with them because he believed they were instigating a war when a few of them tried to steel the cask. Doesn't matter what the ice giant's motives were, point is Thor believed it to be an act of war and believed his actions just. That's not murder.

So if 3 or 4 people from you country attack another country that now means that its fair for the opposing country to come attack/kill you specifically since you are a part of the enemy? I disagree. We have no idea if these guys even knew why they were being invaded and were likely just trying to stay alive

Originally posted by Silent Master
I like how the Ice Giants are being portrayed as innocent victims, when the movie started with them invading Earth and murdering multiple people with a WMD(Casket) and then later invading Asgard in order to steal sed WMD back and the movie ended with them again invading Asgard and attempting to murder Odin in his sleep.

It's like some people don't realize that invading a country and attempting to steal a WMD would be considered an act of war.

I like it too. You are using "they' and "them" like it encompasses the entire race. It doesn't. As i said earlier if a few members of your gov did something against another it seems like you are just considered to be an active part of the hostilities even if you're just a bystander. Thor didn't go straight after the party responsible or even try to figure out who exactly was behind the invasion. He lumped them all together(like a true racist 😛 ) and decided they all needed to die.

Sure they were dicks in the past but that was millenia ago. They could have changed while a radical few tried to cause issues. Are all citizens of the opposing country active combatants now? And i believe Thor wanted to wipe them all out. That includes innocent children too.

Originally posted by juggerman

So if 3 or 4 people from you country attack another country that now means that its fair for the opposing country to come attack/kill you specifically since you are a part of the enemy? I disagree. We have no idea if these guys even knew why they were being invaded and were likely just trying to stay alive

Trying to stay alive? By trying to steal the cask of winters? Odin should have at least contacted Laufey to answer for his men's crimes and give explanation.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Trying to stay alive? By trying to steal the cask of winters? Odin should have at least contacted Laufey to answer for his men's crimes and give explanation.

By "trying to stay alive" i was referring to the ones Thor attacked. They could have had no clue as to why they were being invaded and attacked by Thor. He had no reason to actually believe those guys weren't simply working on their own and the threat had been erased. I agree with Odin contacting them

Originally posted by Robtard
Ghost Rider > Thor, you bunch of fanboys.

The Destroyer is the unknown here if GR would be able to destroy it with his hell-spawned powers or not. GR is able to control inanimate objects, so there's an argument to be made if GR would be able to possess the Destroyer and control it, as he does other machinery, but that's a big if.

Thor > Ghost Rider

Originally posted by FrothByte
Trying to stay alive? By trying to steal the cask of winters? Odin should have at least contacted Laufey to answer for his men's crimes and give explanation.

He's just trolling, hell the movie clearly shows that the Frost Giants are the real mass murders as they invaded Earth and killed an entire village(IE men, women and children), later on orders from their King they invaded Asgard and killed Asgardians in an attempt to steal a WMD.

Originally posted by Silent Master
He's just trolling, hell the movie clearly shows that the Frost Giants are the real mass murders as they invaded Earth and killed an entire village(IE men, women and children), later on orders from their King they invaded Asgard and killed Asgardians in an attempt to steal a WMD.

Oh my, i don't agree with you therefore i must be trolling? Yet you've countered not one point. Good job just b*tching and not adding anything to this.

Oh and last time i checked, killing a mass murderer just because you don't like them is still murder bucko 👆

Thor wasn't shown to kill any innocent people, therefore he isn't a mass murderer...so you have no point.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor wasn't shown to kill any innocent people, therefore he isn't a mass murderer...so you have no point.

I never said he was a "mass murderer" so drop the man-o-straw please.

Let's put it this way: I your brother/sister did something bad to me/my family and then i went to your house and picked a fight with you over it and then killed you that would be murder yes? Thor does exactly that yet why isn't it considered murder in your eyes?

EDIT: And you are way too caught up on "innocent" here. If you walked up to a known murderer on the street and shot him in the face while he was just reading a paper you would have committed murder. He didn't need to be innocent for it to count

You're right, ninjak said mass murderer...you're just arguing that Thor murdered the Frost Giants...so please post clips of Thor murdering them.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're right, ninjak said mass murderer...you're just arguing that Thor murdered the Frost Giants...so please post clips of Thor murdering them.

At work so i can't post the clip atm but when him Loki and the Warriors Three went in against Odin's wishes did he kill Frost Giants? I'm pretty sure they all did. If so we just need to establish if it can be considered murder or not

Ok, I'll be waiting on poof that Thor murdered them...which by the way you wont be able to provide...because after Thor hit the first Giant, the rest attacked Thor's group.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Ok, I'll be waiting on poof that Thor murdered them...which by the way you wont be able to provide...because after Thor hit the first Giant, the rest attacked Thor's group.

So if i walk into your house, pick a fight with you, and then strike one of your family members and then someone attacks me i can kill them and it wouldn't be murder?

I'm still waiting for proof that Thor murdered the Frost Giants.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm still waiting for proof that Thor murdered the Frost Giants.

So trespassing, provoking, attacking and killing isn't murder now? Looks like you're just going to close your eyes, cover your ears and pretend it never happened

Thor wasn't trespassing as he had every right to be there and it was actually the Frost Giant who provoked the fight as Thor had agreed to leave by that point.

So again, I'll be waiting for the proof that Thor murdered the Frost Giants.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Thor wasn't trespassing as he had every right to be there and it was actually the Frost Giant who provoked the fight as Thor had agreed to leave by that point.

So again, I'll be waiting for the proof that Thor murdered the Frost Giants.

He was. He was told not to go there and it was their land/world. Trepassing. He went there to kill them as he stated earlier and only agreed to leave because of Loki.

So trepassing? Check. Provoking? Check. Attacking? Check. Killing? Check. And mate