Thor and the Destroyer vs Ghost Rider and Spawn

Originally posted by Lestov16

Getting smacked head first into a wall by a godly hammer isn't the same as getting hit in the head by a basketball. You have it backwards. You can't prove the Frost Giant lived, and judging by the force Thor used, plus the fact he was killing others with his hammer, it's more plausible they died.

Of course a human getting hit by mjolnir is not the same as getting hit by a basketball. But then again, it's not a human that was hit by mjolnir but a frost giant. A 10 ft tall giant who's strong enough to go toe to toe with asgardians. You keep saying the Thor was killing others with his hammer, which others? Where are those that he killed? You say the proof is that they didn't get back up, well when a someone is knocked out guess what, they don't get up.

Maybe if you showed me a pic or something of the FG's face getting caved in or exploding in blood or something, then you might have proof. Because all you're really saying is that "Thor hit the frost giant, frost giant fell and didn't get up, therefore he must be dead."

Are we really arguing whether Thor has killed on the battlefield?
His friends were all killing like crazy in the Frost Giant scene.
Whether Frost Giants survived the beating Thor gave them during that scene is irrelevant.
He fought to put them all down. His intent was to end them.
In the new trailer he shatters an opponent. He shatters him!

We aren't arguing if Thor has killed before, we're arguing if he's ever murdered someone.

Those Frost Giants weren't there for a fight.
They were protecting their home capital from invaders.
It was the Asgardians who picked the fight. Turned up on their turf and threatened retribution for what less than a handful of Frost Giants attempted.

Odin was right. The Destroyer dealt with all attempts at the theft.
Thor acted irrationally, Loki's manipulations don't count.

Thor and friends killed a crap load of Frost Giants that day who's intent was to simply protect their lord.

Thor smashed the entire landmass apart. Your opinion of whether Thor is guilty of murder is not in question. He went out there to punish.
And Odin wisely punished him for it. If Thor committed such acts at this stage in his life surely during his many campaigns he has killed many others.

Actaully whether or not Thor commited murder has been the question for several pages.

And he has

Originally posted by juggerman
And he has

And there's no proof

Originally posted by FrothByte
And there's no proof

There is proof

Originally posted by the ninjak
Those Frost Giants weren't there for a fight.
They were protecting their home capital from invaders.
It was the Asgardians who picked the fight. Turned up on their turf and threatened retribution for what less than a handful of Frost Giants attempted.

Odin was right. The Destroyer dealt with all attempts at the theft.
Thor acted irrationally, Loki's manipulations don't count.

Thor and friends killed a crap load of Frost Giants that day who's intent was to simply protect their lord.

Thor smashed the entire landmass apart. Your opinion of whether Thor is guilty of murder is not in question. He went out there to punish.
And Odin wisely punished him for it. If Thor committed such acts at this stage in his life surely during his many campaigns he has killed many others.

Disagreed. Attacking someone that attacked your home first is retaliation, regardless of Odin's "meh, no harm done" speech, the Frost Giants did attack first and Thor had no knowledge that they were sent in by Loki.

So as far as he knew, he was retaliating; not initiating an attack, even then he didn't and was about to leave peacefully until he was purposely pushed into doing so. He's just a big dumb blonde who can't see the bigger picture and why he didn't listen to daddy's words of wisdom in the first place. But a murderer that day on Jotunheim? No.

Originally posted by Robtard
Disagreed. Attacking someone that attacked your home first is retaliation, regardless of Odin's "meh, no harm done" speech, the Frost Giants did attack first and Thor had no knowledge that they were sent in by Loki.

So as far as he knew, he was retaliating; not initiating an attack, even though he didn't and was about to leave peacefully until he was purposely pushed into doing so. He's just a big dumb blonde who can't see the bigger picture and why he didn't listen to daddy's words of wisdom in the first place.

He also had no knowledge that the plot went beyond the 3 or so already dead. And the Giants didn't attack as much as they were just trying to regain what was, in their opinion, rightfully theirs.

The Giants did attack, or did you miss the fact that they broke the peace treaty by invading a sovereign nation and then murdered multiple Asgardians in an attempt to steal a WMD.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The Giants did attack, or did you miss the fact that they broke the peace treaty by invading a sovereign nation and then murdered multiple Asgardians in an attempt to steal a WMD.

Odin didn't see it that way so no treaty was broken

Originally posted by juggerman
He also had no knowledge that the plot went beyond the 3 or so already dead. And the Giants didn't attack as much as they were just trying to regain what was, in their opinion, rightfully theirs.

Did he take the time to investigate it fully, no. Considering the previous history that Asgard and Jotunheim had, he had no reason to believe it was just a few rogue Asgardians. Odin seemingly didn't believe this either, he just didn't care in the bigger scheme of things, ie not starting a full out war again which would cost more than just a few Asgardian lives.

As noted by SilentMaster, the Giants broke a treaty, invaded and murdered citizens of Asgard. As far as Thor knew, they provoked first.

The question of "the casket belonged to them", it didn't anymore. They lost it in a war and a treaty was had with Asgard safeguarding it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did he take the time to investigate it fully, no. Considering the previous history that Asgard and Jotunheim had, he had no reason to believe it was just a few rogue Asgardians. Odin seemingly didn't believe this either, he just didn't care in the bigger scheme of things, ie not starting a full out war again which would cost more than just a few Asgardian lives.

As noted by SilentMaster, the Giants broke a treaty, invaded and murdered citizens of Asgard. As far as Thor knew, they provoked first.

The question of "the casket belonged to them", it didn't anymore. They lost it in a war and a treaty was had with Asgard safeguarding it.

Odin seemed to believe it as he never even tried to see if was something else. I guess he may have just wanted to overlook it tho

This isn't about who provoked first tho. Thor went to their home and started wrecking shit cuz he was called a name.

Again i said "in their opinion" meaning to whom it literally belonged to didn't really matter to them

Originally posted by juggerman
Odin didn't see it that way so no treaty was broken

Did Frost Giants invade Asgard and murder multiple Asgardians(vault guards) in an attempt to steal a WMD(casket)?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Did Frost Giants invade Asgard and murder multiple Asgardians(vault guards) in an attempt to steal a WMD(casket)?

Did Odin see this a breach of the Treaty? Have we been shown this Treaty? Do we know what is considered an actual breach of it?

Originally posted by juggerman
Did Odin see this a breach of the Treaty? Have we been shown this Treaty? Do we know what is considered an actual breach of it?

Again, Did Frost Giants invade Asgard and murder multiple Asgardians(vault guards) in an attempt to steal a WMD(casket)?

Again, did Odin see this as a breach of the Treaty? Have we been shown this Treaty? Do we know what is considered an actual breach of it?

Odin never said one way or the other if it was a breach of the treaty.

Now, Did Frost Giants invade Asgard and murder multiple Asgardians(vault guards) in an attempt to steal a WMD(casket)?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Odin never said one way or the other if it was a breach of the treaty.

Now, Did Frost Giants invade Asgard and murder multiple Asgardians(vault guards) in an attempt to steal a WMD(casket)?

So then how can you say it was breached? Without viewing it yourself(you didn't), having it explained to you(it wasn't), or having someone who was present when it was agreed upon saying it was breached(he never did) you can't know. You can assume, which you're doing, but you don't know.

Yes a few did. Yet you've failed to prove it was a breach of said treaty