Thor could have walked away but attacked out of hubris. Sure Laufey insulted him, but he was not trying to harm Thor, and Thor could have been the better man and walked away, but instead acted out of impulse and attacked everybody because his feelings were hurt. I think that makes him the aggressor.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Thor could have walked away but attacked out of hubris. Sure Laufey insulted him but Thor could have been the better man and walked away, but instead acted out of impulse and attacked everybody because his feelings were hurt. I think that makes him the aggressor.
He hit two Frost Giants, after that the FG's attacked both Thor and his friends. Hitting someone doesn't mean you lose your right to defend yourself if all his friends decide to jump you.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Thor could have walked away but attacked out of hubris. Sure Laufey insulted him, but he was not trying to harm Thor, and Thor could have been the better man and walked away, but instead acted out of impulse and attacked everybody because his feelings were hurt. I think that makes him the aggressor.
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Originally posted by Silent Master
He hit two Frost Giants, after that the FG's attacked both Thor and his friends. Hitting someone doesn't mean you lose your right to defend yourself if all his friends decide to jump you.
He hit the first one into a wall head-first. The second one he upper-cutted, sending him flying. I'm pretty sure the massive head trauma they both suffered killed them.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Thor killed others with his hammer, so it's not like it's some impossible feat to kill a Frost Giant, especially with the force Thor used in those initial blows. And if they withstood the blows, why didn't they rejoin the battle?
With the amount of Giants in the battle are you sure those two never showed up again, even at the bridge? however even if they didn't, they could have merely been ko'd.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Thor could have walked away but attacked out of hubris. Sure Laufey insulted him, but he was not trying to harm Thor, and Thor could have been the better man and walked away, but instead acted out of impulse and attacked everybody because his feelings were hurt. I think that makes him the aggressor.
It doesn't matter if he's the aggressor. Point is there's still no proof he murdered anyone.
Originally posted by juggerman
Well we see FGs being killed by far less than what Thor did to those 1st two he hit. There is absolutely no reason to believe they survived
That's just it. You're assuming they were killed. But as far as we can see, all that happened was that they got knocked down. They didn't bleed, they didn't disintegrate, they didn't crack, they showed no signs that they were dead. There is NO proof that they died.
COuld you give me examples of FG's getting killed by far less of what Thor did?
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's just it. You're assuming they were killed. But as far as we can see, all that happened was that they got knocked down. They didn't bleed, they didn't disintegrate, they didn't crack, they showed no signs that they were dead. There is NO proof that they died.COuld you give me examples of FG's getting killed by far less of what Thor did?
And you're assuming they were just fine and dandy. Thor's hammer toss broke heads off and ripped holes in FGs yet none of them completely broke apart so for you're stance to be "Well they didn't break apart so not dead" is severely faulty.
Hammer toss killed several, The Warriors Three killed several with strength and weapons far inferior to Thor and Mjolnir, Loki killed some ect. Their durability is not all that great, better than human, but still not great. So Thor hitting two, that were completely off guard, so hard that they were sent flying and crashing into mountains so hard that the mountain breaks pretty much cements that they were killed. Well at least one since we don't see the second one hit anything.
Originally posted by FrothByte
That's just it. You're assuming they were killed. But as far as we can see, all that happened was that they got knocked down. They didn't bleed, they didn't disintegrate, they didn't crack, they showed no signs that they were dead. There is NO proof that they died.
Can you show me this obviously deleted scene that shows the non-bleeding, non-injured state of the Frost Giant Thor smacked into a wall? Can you post a scene of a Frost Giant withstanding an impact equal to the hit Thor gave those first 2 FGs? Otherwise, your claim that they survived is pretty baseless.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Can you show me this obviously deleted scene that shows the non-bleeding, non-injured state of the Frost Giant Thor smacked into a wall? Can you post a scene of a Frost Giant withstanding an impact equal to the hit Thor gave those first 2 FGs? Otherwise, your claim that they survived is pretty baseless.
No, my claim is just 1 bit better than yours. You also can't show me any clip that the Frost Giants were bleeding, cracked, or dead. So we're both in the same boat when it comes to that.
But 1 proof I do have that you don't, is that the FG's do get knocked down, and that's clearly shown. So it's like this:
Me: FG's get knocked down. Proof - shown on screen
You. FG's get killed. Proof - ...............
A person is not dead until proven otherwise. You see a sleeping person on the street, he won't be declared dead until proven dead. You see a comatose patient in the hospital, he won't be declared dead until proven dead. You can't simply go to an unconscious person and claim that he's "dead" simply because he looks like it. If someone got hit by a basketball in the head and got knocked out, can you claim with any authority that that person is dead without actual proof??
Your reasoning is backward. Being alive doesn't need proof. It's being dead that needs to be proven. If Loki can survive getting hit by Mjolnir, what makes you think the FG's will automatically get killed with a single hit from it?
Originally posted by FrothByte
No, my claim is just 1 bit better than yours. You also can't show me any clip that the Frost Giants were bleeding, cracked, or dead. So we're both in the same boat when it comes to that.
Actually you can't show them withstanding the hit. It's more believable that they died than survived.
Originally posted by FrothByte
But 1 proof I do have that you don't, is that the FG's do get knocked down, and that's clearly shown. So it's like this:Me: FG's get knocked down. Proof - shown on screen
Were they smacked into a wall with excessive force?
Originally posted by FrothByte
You. FG's get killed. Proof - ...............
The proof that they didn't get up afterwards
Originally posted by FrothByte
A person is not dead until proven otherwise. You see a sleeping person on the street, he won't be declared dead until proven dead. You see a comatose patient in the hospital, he won't be declared dead until proven dead. You can't simply go to an unconscious person and claim that he's "dead" simply because he looks like it. If someone got hit by a basketball in the head and got knocked out, can you claim with any authority that that person is dead without actual proof??
Getting smacked head first into a wall by a godly hammer isn't the same as getting hit in the head by a basketball. You have it backwards. You can't prove the Frost Giant lived, and judging by the force Thor used, plus the fact he was killing others with his hammer, it's more plausible they died.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Your reasoning is backward. Being alive doesn't need proof. It's being dead that needs to be proven.
Negative.
Originally posted by FrothByte
If Loki can survive getting hit by Mjolnir, what makes you think the FG's will automatically get killed with a single hit from it?
Thor didn't hit Loki with the same force, and Loki was defending himself with his spear.