Magic Vs Science

Originally posted by Sundipped
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Suffice to say Reed's scientific prowess is hard to beat but it's hard for me to see someone like Mxy not being able to warp any device Reed brings to the table.

I know I went cross company but I'm really just generally speaking in terms of magic and science going toe to toe against each other.

I remember all the butthurt from Spectre cutting him off, because his powers were "science".

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Mxy is pretty much based on whatever on any given day though. One day he's science, one day he's magic. Maybe he's just a mix of both; like a weaker version of Dr Doom

I remember all the butthurt from Spectre cutting him off, because his powers were "science".

IIRC it was that it's actually perceived as magic in the prime DC universe but a form of science in the 5th dimension.

Yeah and that same "science" was able to imprison Spectre when Joker had the imps power. I don't quite know what to make of it myself.

Originally posted by Sundipped
IIRC it was that it's actually perceived as magic in the prime DC universe but a form of science in the 5th dimension.

Yeah and that same "science" was able to imprison Spectre when Joker had the imps power. I don't quite know what to make of it myself.

Honestly, I wouldn't put him in either category just to be safe.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Maybe he's just a mix of both; like a weaker version of Dr Doom

Mxy himself said that he uses 5D science-- it's just so advanced that sub-5D beings perceive it as magic.

I think Lord Chaos and Master Order are the highest magicals, although I do agree, the line blurs with cosmics as far as magic and science.

Magic

Originally posted by pym-ftw
I was talking more Skyfathers and Elder Gods.

Yet beings above them such as Galactus and Celestials seem to use "science" rather than "magic".

Anyway, I think "science" tends to be more powerful in Marvel while DC seems to have magic be more powerful.

Originally posted by Galan007
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Mxy himself said that he uses 5D science-- it's just so advanced that sub-5D beings perceive it as magic.

I've just assumed 5D science was magic. Makes sense especially when one considers the fifth dimension is supposed to be imagination.

Originally posted by ares834
I've just assumed 5D science was magic. Makes sense especially when one considers the fifth dimension is supposed to be imagination.

They're the same.

Magic is the ultimate plot device. I hate it.

Science is only limited by the users intelligence and can be equally plot device. Mr Terrific, Reed, Doom, Banner, Thanos etc have some retarded feats in this field and have all defeted magic users at some point or another. These days Marvel seems to hint that magic is just unexplained science.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Science is only limited by the users intelligence and can be equally plot device. Mr Terrific, Reed, Doom, Banner, Thanos etc have some retarded feats in this field and have all defeted magic users at some point or another. These days Marvel seems to hint that magic is just unexplained science.

Originally posted by ares834
I've just assumed 5D science was magic. Makes sense especially when one considers the fifth dimension is supposed to be imagination.

Basically too 5D imps its just science, but to 3D beings its percieved as magic....

In the 3rd dimension, 5D science actually falls under the blanket of magical/mystical-- which is how Mxy's abilities are almost always referenced/classified. It is only defined as 'science' in the 5th dimension itself.

Originally posted by Uriel005
technically by modern definition comic magic for the most part is science. The effects are calculable and consistent. "Magical" beings have a general system of measurement, power requirements and methodology for performing magic.

Okay....
So mxy's powers are actually science in the 5th dimension, but are categorised as magic in the 3rd dimension....even though, technically, its extremely advanced 5D imp tech. Hm, confusing no?

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Okay....
So mxy's powers are actually science in the 5th dimension, but are categorised as magic in the 3rd dimension....even though, technically, its extremely advanced 5D imp tech.

As far back as Dr Fates Origin in the Golden Age Nabu told Kent he was teaching him secrets long forgotten. things like molecular control. He told Kent in his orogin that men would call it magic, but clearly that wasn't what it was meant to be.

Ult Reed knows and jnderstands magic. pre 52 Mr Terrific also was able to quantify much of it. Magic is and always has been a science we haven't grasped yet. they are the same thing