The Greatest Foe the darkness had ever known...

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
What is it about my username? You don't see me harping on anyone's username or avatar, because that's just petty shit and I couldn't care less. You and Nai both are acting like teenage girls who harp on little things because you can't prove a point.

Gee, pal.
Let me get that one straight for you. Walking into a Star Wars Forum and picking the name of one of the main-characters as username demonstrates a severe lack of creativity, that extends to the content of your postings.

But that's not enough. You make postings just to defend one single characters out of the hundreds within the mythos, and it's the same one whose name you have picked as yours. To add the icing on the cake, you expect people to assume your opinion on that particular character is not in any form or shape influenced by bias but completely objective.

That you don't even seem to get why that turns you into a laughing stock, actually leads to the suggestion that the number within your username is your IQ, Forrest.

Yours and Nai's arguments in this thread have been outright silly and retarded and filled with desperate reaching.

And why you keep ignoring them then?
Apparently, your mental faculties are insufficient to comprehend parts of the argumentation happening here. But instead of stepping out of the debate, and simple admit to yourself that some people here are rather far above your head, you sling out insults.

Which is even more funny, if we consider for a moment, how you keep dodging hard facts in order to keep arguing. I can just point you towards this posting for example.

I mathematically demonstrate the reach difference between Yoda and Sidious. I likewise conclude in a mathematical fashion, that Sidious - because of having to lower his blade - fighting on equal ground against Yoda, would sacrifice between 36 to 52 percent of his reach advantage and a lot of his offensive capabilities (having to resort on "low attacks" to hit Yoda). Then I conclude that those two disadvantages would be evened out by fighting Yoda on the podium (where he is on a higher position and therefore easier to fight for Sidious).

First you outright ignore those points. Then you even proclaim that I never made them. Either you're the most stubborn person around here, or one of the most stupid ones I've seen in the history of this forum. Your choice.

And that is just one example.

If Yoda was capable of defeating Sidious, then why didn't it happen?

And here comes another blindingly bright example of your smartness. It didn't happen, because Sidious had to survive for the OT. It didn't happen because of the circumstances of that fight. It didn't happen, in short, because Sidious was lucky.

Why the hell do you even ask such a question. You basically agreed to the idea, that Yoda is superior to Sidious in lightsaber combat. We see how Yoda overpowers Sidious in a direct force contests. From there, somehow, one can conclude that they are equal or - even better - that Sidious could win a fight with Yoda?

Why do sources say that Sidious was too powerful for Yoda to defeat? Not saying it's impossible for Yoda to defeat Sidious (it's also not impossible for Sidious to defeat Yoda), but I asked you how he would manage to, and you were incapable of answering.

This question has been answered multiple times. Again, I can just assume that your cognitive abilities are lacking to such an extreme degree, that you simply didn't see it happening. Because, frankly, ignoring a multiple-post-argument linked by Janus and even points thrown into your face isn't just enough to explain away what appears to be a severe case of partial amnesia.

Sorry, but falling several stories from a redirected lightning attack because of being in a disadvantaged position at the time, does not constitute proof that Yoda would have won that battle had the blast taken place on even ground.

Frankly: What the hell are you even talking about here? Did that one make sense in your head? It certainly does not in the outside world. If somebody was in a position of disadvantage during the lightning clash, it was Yoda (hint: side of the podium). We see Yoda pushing forward and Sidious bending backwards before the the lightning between them explodes, indicating, that Yoda was indeed overpowering the Sith Lord there.

Nai has OCD, so he can't resist his urges to argue against a character he despises no matter how silly his arguments are. But what's your excuse? Is it because Sidious, even as of ROTS, has the feats to suggest that he would plaster Kun to a wall as easily as he did Maul and Savage?

Cool. Just claim that people suffer from severe mental conditions (that you apparently don't even understand), because they disagree with you. Big move, champ. Applause.

That aside, and I will just tell you again: I don't despise Sidious. I despise your reasoning to put him were you put him. So, the only thing despicable here - as far as I am concerned - is your miserable self. The reasons for this can all be found neatly gathered in this very posting of yours: Ignorance, playing stupid, wild accusations and insults when you can't help yourself any further.

BTW, I don't mind anyone joking with me about my username or my interest in Sidious, but to use it as an insult just because you're unable to debunk any of my points does get a little frustrating, and it takes the fun out of these discussions. I do enjoy reading some of your posts at times, but sometimes you can be just as petty as Nai.

Whoa, pal.
So people call you out on perhabs not being quite objective in your judgement when it comes to a character you vigorously defend and you named yourself after and - somehow - you see that as an insult?

If somebody named "SidiousHater0815" would show up here, would you expect him to post anything remotely objective concerning your favored Sith Lord? Of course not. So, pray tell, how can you expect it from others, especially considering your posting history.

And, sorry to tell you: If you stop ignoring points being made against your arguments, you would maybe see that some of them have been answered and debunked. Repeating them ad nauseam doesn't mean that they suddenly become valid again.

🙄

"It took a really long time for Nick (Gillard) to work out Sidious' fighting style, and he has a style that's constantly changing. His style is one in which you'll never get the better of him. It is ambiguous --- he'll fight less than you and draw you in; you're a sucker if you think you're going to better him." - George Lucas

"Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style."- Nick Gillard

"He's better than Yoda in a way because he has the extra power of the dark side," Gillard explains. "His character is so shrouded that his fighting style should be shrouded as well. The Emperor is deadly dangerous."- Nick Gillard

Nick Gillard almost admits that Sidious is better fighter than Yoda.

It is clear that both characters are as powerful and skilled as it gets. But Sidious is not hampered by physical limitations unlike Yoda. And even if Yoda did manage to disarm Sidious according to script, it's just he was more lucky in given circumstances.

We're getting kinda personal guys. Maybe calm down a bit.

"Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style."- Nick Gillard

"He's better than Yoda in a way because he has the extra power of the dark side," Gillard explains.

Originally posted by Arhael
"It took a really long time for Nick (Gillard) to work out Sidious' fighting style, and he has a style that's constantly changing. His style is one in which you'll never get the better of him. It is ambiguous --- he'll fight less than you and draw you in; you're a sucker if you think you're going to better him." - George Lucas

Where's this quote from? I'm almost certain it was NG who said you're a sucker if you think you've got the better of him.

Originally posted by psmith81992

Better than Yoda because of the dark side? Apparently the movie seems to disagree with Gillard's interpretation.

How so? It usually did make combatants more powerful turning to the Dark Side.

Originally posted by Nephthys
We're getting kinda personal guys. Maybe calm down a bit.

On one hand, you're right. We should be more amiable. On the other, I think Sids66 kind of asked for this post from Nai. I'm the one who dismissed his objectivity out of hand, referring to his username (when it became apparent that he was just going to ignore my posts without providing any kind of counter reasoning), and then he attacked Nai in his reply to me. That's a kind of lambasting that asks for what he has received.

Same as if I lambast Gideon (as I have done many times) and he or you call me out for it or even give it to me back, it's well-deserved. It's only an issue if it becomes so bad a mod gets involved, and really, doubt that's gonna be an issue.

SIDIOUS_66 is actually a very friendly poster as far as KMC goes. More aggressive posters like Nai and Beefy have been ruthless to him for years.

If anything, they deserve the shit storm he sends their way. And even then, he's usually pretty mild about it.

I agree. He really doesn't deserve all that flak. I don't see where he attacked Nai in that post. If Nai got offended that he called his arguments silly then he needs some thicker skin.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that SIDIOUS_66 is the nicest poster here other than myself. That's not to say he can't get testy or dish it out, but the belligerence he's had to endure is breathtaking.

I'm all for snark, but not genuine anger.

So about that quote you posted Sidious666.. where does that fall in the levels of canon again?

Originally posted by Nai
Gee, pal.
Let me get that one straight for you. Walking into a Star Wars Forum and picking the name of one of the main-characters as username demonstrates a severe lack of creativity, that extends to the content of your postings.

No, it means I was lazy in coming up with a username; I just signed up to post my opinions. I wasn't trying to be creative. Sorry for not taking certain things as seriously as you do.

You have some issues.

But that's not enough. You make postings just to defend one single characters out of the hundreds within the mythos, and it's the same one whose name you have picked as yours. To add the icing on the cake, you expect people to assume your opinion on that particular character is not in any form or shape influenced by bias but completely objective.

I argue mostly for Sidious I admit to that, but that's my prerogative and my business. If you don't like it then you don't have to respond to it, yet you do anyway. In fact, as I said numerous times, you argue against Sidious more than I argue for him. You also make more anti-Sidious arguments despite there being hundreds of character in the mythos.

I think it's more normal, and I'm pretty sure most would agree, to put more effort in arguing for a character you really like than it is to put more effort in arguing against a character you hate. Majority of your posts in the vs sections are on Sidious related topics--arguments against him. Hell, the other day Temp just posted some comments from Filoni regarding Sidious, and you appeared out of nowhere criticizing the way Filoni handle the fight (which he handled it very good), suggesting that Filoni didn't do his job in showcasing Sidious superiority over the bros just because he didn't blitz them over wave his hand and disintegrate Mauls legs.

You were also once called out on why you don't treat arguments the same regarding other character, and you claimed that the arguments for them come from people who would be a waist of time, suggesting that those posters were stupid. Then you suggest that I'm stupid, yet you constantly argue with me on Sidious related topics, while constantly bringing my username up. Again, if all this doesn't suggest an extreme bias against the character, then IDK what does.

That you don't even seem to get why that turns you into a laughing stock, actually leads to the suggestion that the number within your username is your IQ, Forrest.

Unlike you, I'm not here to impress or win anyone's heart. Posting here is just something I enjoy doing, not something I'm paid for, and I didn't realize my username would offend people like you. Yes Sidious is my all time favorite character, so I just quickly chose his name when I came upon a SW site. But considering how you take my username far more seriously than I do, suggests that you take the character far more seriously than I do period.

And why you keep ignoring them then?
Apparently, your mental faculties are insufficient to comprehend parts of the argumentation happening here. But instead of stepping out of the debate, and simple admit to yourself that some people here are rather far above your head, you sling out insults.

I sling insults to the people who sling insults my way. Yes I can get on your level of being childish.

I addressed all of your arguments. You're the one who failed to address mine, even after I repeated them several times.

I mathematically demonstrate the reach difference between Yoda and Sidious. I likewise conclude in a mathematical fashion, that Sidious - because of having to lower his blade - fighting on equal ground against Yoda, would sacrifice between 36 to 52 percent of his reach advantage and a lot of his offensive capabilities (having to resort on "low attacks" to hit Yoda). Then I conclude that those two disadvantages would be evened out by fighting Yoda on the podium (where he is on a higher position and therefore easier to fight for Sidious).

You also suggested that Sidious would have to fight at a bent position while fighting Yoda on equal ground, which I proved you wrong by posting a video of Yoda fighting Someone, who is quite a bit taller than Sidious, that stayed in a straight posture throughout majority of the duel because of the fact that Yoda rarely stays on ground or in one spot for long. The reach disadvantage is always there for Yoda, however, on the podium, being on the higher part, gave Yoda the reach to put his strength in better use by overpowering the Sidious in saber locks. As you can see on equal ground, Yoda was struggling more while Sidious was laughing, which aren't things we seen take place on the podium. On the podium Sidious showed more signs of struggle (no laughing whatsoever) than he did on equal ground, while Yoda showed more expressions of confidence on the podium than he did on equal ground.

Yes, on equal ground, Yoda has an option to attack Sidious' lower section, but as I pointed out before, a move like that can be responded to by leaping or jumping away just as Dooku did in DR.

You also keep ignoring my question: how is having far less room to maneuver than your opponent not a disadvantage? Sidious barely had room to give ground or leap away on the podium, while Yoda had enough room to freely utilize his acrobats with no effort at all, doing circles around Sidious. Clearly Yoda wasn't as limited.

And here comes another blindingly bright example of your smartness. It didn't happen, because Sidious had to survive for the OT.

lmao, look at you. Desperate reaching again.

Obi Wan and Anakin both lost several fights, yet they both survive for the OT.

According to the Star Wars Comics Companion, Yoda could not defeat Sidious because Sidious proved too powerful to defeat. But that quote doesn't really suggest that Sidious defeated Yoda, which I never suggested in the first place, I said that IMO it was a stalemate. There are sources that state Yoda was defeated, but yes you can argue that was because the lightning blast affected him worse than Sidious by throwing him several stories due to being smaller, but does that suggest Yoda would have won if the blast happened on equal ground?

Why the hell do you even ask such a question. You basically agreed to the idea, that Yoda is superior to Sidious in lightsaber combat.

Not to the extent that victory is a guaranteed thing to Yoda. When Sidious was disarmed, he had an answer to losing his saber, which he lost because he nearly fell over an edge by Yoda's ferocious assault, which could have been more easily responded to had there been no edge for Sidious to nearly fall over.

We see how Yoda overpowers Sidious in a direct force contests. From there, somehow, one can conclude that they are equal or - even better - that Sidious could win a fight with Yoda?

If you're talking about the lightning sequence, Sidious started out overpowering Yoda, and ended with Yoda overpowering Sidious until he redirected the lightning in a ball of energy which blasted them both apart, thus ending the fight in a stalemate.

Frankly: What the hell are you even talking about here? Did that one make sense in your head? It certainly does not in the outside world. If somebody was in a position of disadvantage during the lightning clash, it was Yoda (hint: side of the podium). We see Yoda pushing forward and Sidious bending backwards before the the lightning between them explodes, indicating, that Yoda was indeed overpowering the Sith Lord there.

Before that, we see Sidious walking towards Yoda, while Yoda was giving off expressions of extreme pain. The only way the disadvantage position affected Yoda, was the blast knocking him several stories. Other than that, Yoda's redirected attack affected Sidious and Yoda evenly, except Yoda fell a greater distance due to his small size.

That aside, and I will just tell you again: I don't despise Sidious. I despise your reasoning to put him were you put him. So, the only thing despicable here - as far as I am concerned - is your miserable self. The reasons for this can all be found neatly gathered in this very posting of yours: Ignorance, playing stupid, wild accusations and insults when you can't help yourself any further.

lol

Seriously, get you some help. Sidious is not real, and OCD can probably become a big problem if not treated.

But you're right, I don't know much about the illness, but I do know a few people who have it, and it has something to do with one being unable to resist certain impulses. In your case, your extreme bias against Sidious is such that you can't resist the impulse in arguing against him no matter how silly you make yourself look.

Whoa, pal.
So people call you out on perhabs not being quite objective in your judgement when it comes to a character you vigorously defend and you named yourself after and - somehow - you see that as an insult?

Yup, when they are unable to answer my question and instead attack my username.

If somebody named "SidiousHater0815" would show up here, would you expect him to post anything remotely objective concerning your favored Sith Lord? Of course not. So, pray tell, how can you expect it from others, especially considering your posting history.

I would pay attention to their arguments instead of focusing on their username. And if they were unable to be reasoned with, then I probably wouldn't waist much time on them after so long.

Originally posted by psmith81992
Calling me a desperate troll is pretty amusing since this desperate troll makes you his ***** each debate🙂

lol. Right, you manly man, you.

I'd say Luke, Yoda, Revan, Cade, Or HOT fit this description.

You would "waist" time debating until you got the last word in. That's kinda the point.

We were debating?

Originally posted by The_Tempest
SIDIOUS_66 is actually a very friendly poster as far as KMC goes. More aggressive posters like Nai and Beefy have been ruthless to him for years.

I recall him being rather inoffensive back then, but his recent behavior does not endear me to him. Not that my approval means anything anyways.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
That's terribly suspicious. You're either remembering it wrong or my account was clearly hacked by a heretic and used to espouse heresy.

Ok. How about this:

You said Sidious AND Luke would lose to Nihilus. Together.

Check it. Its in mah profile, b*tch. 😎

Revive the Nihilus respect thread!

Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok. How about this:

You said Sidious AND Luke would lose to Nihilus. Together.

Check it. Its in mah profile, b*tch. 😎

I've checked and I believe you are mistaken.

"Kreia isn't killing either one, honestly. Sidious and Luke both demonstrate physical speed and agility in vast excess of what she's known to demonstrate and her ability isn't depicted to be as indiscriminate as Nihilus's, which wipes out entire areas. She's fodder for either of her enemies, but Nihilus wins the day. "

You need new eyeballs.