Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Forcewise, Barsen'thor is above Vader, too, imo.
How?
What force feats does he have that put him on that level. I mean smashing open the vault door is decent but it's not on Vader's level.
Anyway, it's been awhile since I read LotF and NJO. What force feats does Caedus have again?
Originally posted by ares834
You've been here long enough to know that's not how it works. Anyway, I'm generally curious what force feats does this guy have especially since people are claiming he is on Caedus's level and above Vader and Dooku.
I know. Sorry, too lazy at the moment. 😛
Seriously though, you don't play SWTOR?
This sums up the Barsen'thors feats:
Originally posted by Nephthys
Apart from tanking an explosion that demolished a blast-door to the face? And breaking through a blast-door the size of a 2-story house with a casual Force push? One-hand throwing a chunk of metal the size of a schoolbus a good 50 meters?All of this while severely weakened.
Not to mention defeating a powerful Sith Lord possessed by a Sith Spirit who was being amped by the power of hundreds of Jedi Masters, again while severely weakened. And defeating the First Son, likely the second most powerful Sith at that point barring Vitiate.
As to the actual feats:
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its worth mentioning that the Barsen'thor is another 'minor prodigy' who shows up their master days into being a padawan. Their fighting prowess is so good that they impress Qyzen Fess enough that he thinks you're an embodiment of his deity, something you master didn't do despite knowing his for years. Your master also admits that you were stronger with the Force at age 4 than she was at 15.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Finally found this feat:Very impressive, and looks like it didn't take much effort. I mean christ, look how thick that door is.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Another cool feat. This is now my Barsen'thor feat thread:6.35 A pretty decently huge chunk of metal, tossed like a stick. Still relatively early in the Barsen'thors career. Although it should also be mentioned that it seems that the Consular isn't especially skilled yet, as you then have the choice between saving some holocrons and a woman, indicating that they lacked the skill to lift both simultaneously.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
YouTube video6:52, the Consular holds back Syo's saber with her force powers, then curbstomps him ala force push.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I believe its about 5 in the entire Jedi Orders history up until that point who had earned the title of Barsen'thor. An exclusive list to be sure.Another feat for the Barsen'thor:
4.25. You're required to find a way through a blastdoor. To do so the Consular stabs some explosive barrels in order to, erm, blast through the door. That the Jedi took an explosion that can tear a hole in a blastdoor to the face is an impressive feat and indicates extremely high-caliber defensive abilities.
Also nice feat for Vivicar having all those psychic thralls running around.
Originally posted by Nephthys
CORRECTION, the feat above is at 9.30. I had to change videos. >_<Correction x 2, the one in the game is the third Barsen'thor.
Anyway, I've completed Act 1 and thoroughly believe that the Barsen'thor wins. Despite being weakened severely through using the shielding technique on six Jedi Masters, she still is powerful enough to fight through Vivicars host of brainwashed Republic troops and defeat Lord Vivicar. Vivicar himself is
Spoiler:Vivicar himself is clearly immensely powerful, able to brainwash hundreds of Republic troops permanently (as in they still attack invading Republic soldiers even after Vivicars defeat). Also able to give a few of them gigantism (wtf, why were they so big???). He can also draw on the power of the Jedi Masters who are the victims of his plague, a number he claims to be in the [b]hundreds. If this is true then he must be massively powerful, making the Barsen'thors defeat of him while weakened all the more impressive. Even if we ignore that number he still has 6 Jedi Masters to call upon, making the feat less insane, yet still incredible.
actually a Jedi Knight possessed by the spirit of the Sith Lord Terrak Morrhage, a being powerful enough to drive 6 Jedi Knights insane.If she can do that despite being massively weakened I can only conclude that a full strength Barsen'thor would beat Dooku to death with his own lightsaber hilt. 313wank [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
I can confirm that Vivicar was telling the truth about how many Jedi Masters he infected.Frankly, I'm a little stunned.
(sorry about the triple post)
Also:
23.20
Not bad. But, yeah, don't see how that puts her above Vader's level.
Defeating the amped Jedi Knight is, admittedly, quite good. But, does the game say to what extent he is drawing upon their powers? Furthermore, it may be another case like Vitiate who, logically, should have power well beyond anyone but ultimately doesn't.
I disagree. I don't see Vader smashing through a blast-door like that, nor block that blastdoor explosion, stop a lightsaber with the Force, pwn the First Son..... I don't see Vader equaling all that.
It just says the plague syphons their power. But still, hundreds of Jedi is hundreds of Jedi, even a small portion would add up massively and Vivicar isn't using the energy to grant him immortality like Vitiate is, but rather raw power. Add into that that the Consular is massively weakened (used the Shielding technique 6 times, which exhausts her to the point of collapse each time and killed the last person to use it because of the strain) and has to fight through Vivicars ship, tank the blastdoor explosion etc beforehand, and imo its one of the best feats any Jedi has ever performed.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree. I don't see Vader smashing through a blast-door like that, nor block that blastdoor explosion, stop a lightsaber with the Force, pwn the First Son..... I don't see Vader equaling all that.
The blast door really isn't all the impressive. Vader, by contrast, has shaken the entire Jedi Temple to such an extant that walls were collapsing. Even more impressive, he shook a Coruscant skyscraper to it's very foundations and of course Coruscant Skyscrapers are enormous being hundreds of stories tall. He has also destroyed a metal that is, according to SW science, unbreakable with a force blast. Etc...
Stopping a lightsaber with the force really isn't all that impressive. Even Shaak Ti during the CW did it.
No clue how powerful the First Son is so I can't comment.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It just says the plague syphons their power. But still, hundreds of Jedi is hundreds of Jedi, even a small portion would add up massively and Vivicar isn't using the energy to grant him immortality like Vitiate is, but rather raw power. Add into that that the Consular is massively weakened (used the Shielding technique 6 times, which exhausts her to the point of collapse each time and killed the last person to use it because of the strain) and has to fight through Vivicars ship, tank the blastdoor explosion etc beforehand, and imo its one of the best feats any Jedi has ever performed.
Like I said it's a good feat. Just unsure how good it is. Did Vivicar actually do anything impressive?
Originally posted by ares834
The blast door really isn't all the impressive. Vader, by contrast, has shaken the entire Jedi Temple to such an extant that walls were collapsing. Even more impressive, he shook a Coruscant skyscraper to it's very foundations and of course Coruscant Skyscrapers are enormous being hundreds of stories tall. He has also destroyed a metal that is, according to SW science, unbreakable with a force blast. Etc...Stopping a lightsaber with the force really isn't all that impressive. Even Shaak Ti during the CW did it.
No clue how powerful the First Son is so I can't comment.
Sources for those feats? Because those feats are well above Dooku and Caedus imo. But I still see the Barsen'thors feats as comparable to those in terms of combat power.
She blocked it with her hand, and was sent flying through the air. Pulling it off successfully is still a good combat skill and to use it against the First Son is highly impressive.
He's supposedly the most powerful Sith barring Vitiate. Plus in his fight with the Barsen'thor he's clearly amazingly powerful to be pushing her as much as he is. Plus she pwned him with a Force Wave so powerful it collapsed the roof.
Originally posted by ares834
Like I said it's a good feat. Just unsure how good it is. Did Vivicar actually do anything impressive?
Mindfvcked 6 Jedi Knights into insanity, permanently dominated the minds of hundreds of Republic troops and warped their bodies with Sith Alchemy/Sorcery, is 'terrifyingly powerful', infected hundreds of Jedi Masters with his plague all over the galaxy without needing to encounter them in person (Legend is right to compare this with Abeloths Force Psychosis) and mindfvcked and possessed Yuon Par when she tried discerning his location and fought the Consular with her body.
OK, yeah, that guy is quite impressive.
As for the sources, I don't have access tot he novels right now I'll try to post quotes later tonight. Anyway, he shakes the building in Streets of Shadows. He shakes the Jedi Temple in Last of the Jedi: Underworld. And he breaks the supposedly indestructible metal in, I believe, Death Star.
"This ... is for Padme," he rasped. And with a supreme effort, he spat a mouthful of blood directly into the surprised Dark Lord's mask.
Vader's reaction was not what he'd expected. After a frozen instant, ignoring the bloody spittle running down one plasteel cheek, he knelt and grabbed Typho by the hair, lifting the latter's head and eliciting a cry of renewed pain from him.
"What?" The flare in the Force that raced through the hangar was enough to shake the foundations of the building. The Dark Lord actually seemed to grow, to expand and become more terrible in his rage than Typho would have believed possible."
Is this the first one?