ROTS Count Dooku Vs ROTS Mace Windu

Originally posted by Zett
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No, it isn't since Anakin and Obi-wan weren't holding back. It was acctualy in script, but was finally cut off.

DOOKU lunges at the JEDI and they fall back . . .

COUNT DOOKU: (continuing) Your moves are clumsy, Kenobi . . . too predictable. You'll have to do better.

As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry. ANAKIN continues to drive the attack on DOOKU. COUNT DOOKU throws OBI-WAN back using the Force.

So, movie's version is the highest. Novelisation contradict with that, so this part is noncanon.

Nah, that's just how Lucas types up script. That is an excerpt from the ROTS script.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Movies are higher canon than either and they contradict the script imo.

The script and the description in the The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader are almost exactly the same as the film. It's only Stover's version which is way off.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How can he be tired after 10 seconds of dueling and then fight Anakin for 30 shitting minutes?

It was less than 10 minutes actually. But yeah fair point.

I've posted this part of script, because KT was using it as argument. In fact, Stover in his novel is using that part of script (moment when jedi were holding back). But it was finally cut off from the movie, so it contradict movie version. The only canon version is movie version, and Rise and Fall of Darth Vader is desribing this fight perfectly.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. There is no concession... I'm not going to go over something you already know.. Next, answer my question?

Concession accepted then. You have no idea how Vapaad works or what it will do.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. Actually beating him in sparring was narration.. there was no specifics about how the sparring went.. which is in stark contrasts to a great number of fights we do see in the movies or in the novels. Not to mention sparring are of the same quality as real fights. We've been over this before.

Concession accepted again. You have no choice but to throw out canon facts of Dooku beating Mace, because you have nothing canonically stating Mace ever beating Dooku.

If Mace was so superior to Dooku in Fencing, then he should have no excuse for losing to him in their sparring matches. Fact.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. BEFORE he went into the zone.. Anakin's strikes were damaging Dooku's force reserves just fending them off. This was before Kenobi was even taken out. You need to read the novel again. This was explained because of the Kinectic Energy (you even referenced this) used by powerful two handed strikes from strong people can tax somebody only using one arm to defend against them. This was even stated in the essential guide for Dooku's form. Stop acting like you have no idea about this when it was even stated in the novel you claim to have read.

LOL at me reading the novel again. I doubt you've ever read it yourself, just heard what others have said about it. As someone who has the novel I'll quote you exactly what it says about Djem So vs Makashi:

And only then did Dooku understand that he'd been suckered.
Skywalker's Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen.

Upto this point is proof that Dooku was previously underestimating Skywalker and handling him all wrong which is what leads to the next comment.

His own elegant Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head. Especially not while also defending against a second attacker.

He can't meet him HEAD TO HEAD. I.e. He can't block head on. As I've already explained Makashi is a one handed style, which is the reason it lacks the kinetic energy generated by 2 handed power strikes. What made that more difficult was fighting off A SECOND ATTACKER.
But if you honestly think the creators of a purely fencing form made the form vulnerable to anyone who uses 2 hands, then you need to stop talking right now, because you obviously have no sense at all if that's what you think.
As I've explained before Makashi isn't about Blocking Head to Head, it's about Redirecting, Slanting away Footwork, Giving ground, precision feints and parries.
Fact is it's the best fencing form. If you don't accept this, then your ignoring canon.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
4. I'm waiting for what Dooku is superior to Sids at.. Should I make a thread that aks others what Dooku is superior at when compared to Sids? Are you claiming Sids isn't dooku superior in virtually every way?

Your the one claiming Sidious is superior to Dooku IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY Lol, so it's for you to prove how you know this. Because all we know for sure is that Sidious would defeat Dooku in an all out fight.
But since your asking, yes I believe Dooku's fencing SKILL, and saber defending SKLL probably is superior to Sidious's as he is THE Master of the best Fencing form.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
5. Concession accepted they have very close TK feats.. This will not win the fight for Dooku is the point.

What concession? I said Dooku's superior. Any you know he is. You need to stop crying about it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
6. Anakin was a level 8 when he beat Dooku. It was stated WHEN HE TURNED TO THE DS AND BECAME A SITH HE BECAME A LEVEL 9. It wasn't stated when he got angry. He specifically notes that he became a 9 when he became a sith. So Dooku lost to a level 8. Mace is a level 9. Common sense DP.. use it.

Give me the exact quote which states that ONLY SITH Anakin was a Level 9, whilst JEDI Anakin was a Level 8 the whole time he fought.

I have the Making of Revenge of the Sith in front of me so have the EXACT quote on the matter. But I want you to provide evidence of the Bullshit you've claimed here.

Skywalker giving into the darkside is what boosts his power and makes him a level 9. Nothing about Sith Anakin and Jedi Anakin are mentioned. And proof Anakin was giving into the Dark Side as he was fighting Dooku. This is from the script while Kenobi is fighting alongside him:

ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry.
And this before he defeats Dooku:
Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness.

Oh and then there's this little fact LOL:

ANAKIN cuts off COUNT DOOKU's head.

You want common sense. Then answer this with any sort of common sense. Dooku fought off 2 level 8's together, and then almost stomped them both together. So how could he Possibly be a level 8 from that demonstration?
Now I'm not against the idea of him being a very High level 8, or a low level 9. I'm just calling you out on your bullshit claim that Sith Anakin was a greater duelist than Zone Anakin and actually a whole level above him LOL
Your arguments are getting so stupid it's actually ridiculous. So Dooku fights off 2 level 8's, but then lose to one so he's obviously an 8. But then Kenobi's superior to a 9 because he beat a 9, so clearly Kenobi is a 10, even though he's stated to be an 8. LOL Your getting really really stupid at this point KT, and you clearly have no Star Wars sources yourself and are just talking out of your ass.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
7. He won't stalemate him because Mace will be feeding off of Dooku's DS energies... While dooku won't be feeding on anything. So no it won't end in a stalemate. The best you can hope for is a long drawn out fight with near equals i nsabers... but mace eventually finding Dooku's shatterpoint or simply wearing him down with his powerful strikes.

Show me where it states Mace "feeds from a Darksier's mere presence."

Doesn't work like that at all. Mace can deflect Powerful and Aggressive Dark Side attacks back to it's source with the same amount of power, while not giving into the dark side himself.

Since Dooku will most likely be defending himself through Footwork, Redirecting Mace's blows, Giving ground, simultaneous TK attacks, and since Mace and Dooku are peers in terms of force power anyway, then no Mace has no guaranteed win over Dooku at all.

And prove Shatterpoint is some kind of guaranteed win on a neutral setting and over a defensive form! If it was then Mace never would have lost any of those sparring matches.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
8. Yoda's attacks aren't more powerful than Mace's LOL.. WHERE THE HECK DID YOU GET THAT IDEA. Yoda is more powerful in the force.. but he's not stronger than Mace.. that is beyond idiotic to even suggest such a thing. Mace is vastly stronger than yoda and his species is SPECIFICALLY noted for their strength. yoda is a half pint.. he could never be as strong as a prime Mace.. maybe when mace was 10.. but that's about it. Mace's blows will tax Dooku's defense and everytually overcome them.

So I take it you've never heard of Force Enhanced Strength then?

There's no guarantee at all of Mace overpowering Dooku's defenses. Especially not when Dooku uses his free hand to constantly Force push Mace, and telekinetically throw stuff at him.

DP, sorry to meddle in, but...

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Concession accepted again. You have no choice but to throw out canon facts of Dooku beating Mace, because you have nothing canonically stating Mace ever beating Dooku.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
If Mace was so superior to Dooku in Fencing, then he should have no excuse for losing to him in their sparring matches. Fact.

(And I’m not even going to raise the issue that Dooku at the time was a Jedi, here he's a Sith Lord so Vaapad comes into the picture. But this notion you're duking out with KT, so I will step out.)

The thread answer should be obvious. Windu wins everytime, and quite easily at that. Windu would just bash Dooku over and over again with Vaapad, and grow stronger as the old weakass **** grows weaker. And theres not much Dooku can do about it except for die.

Originally posted by Stigma
DP, sorry to meddle in, but...

No worries.

Originally posted by Stigma
What about Mace beating Sidious? Wouldn’t that be common sense to say that he can beat Dooku too? (and more easily at that)

Nah everyone has different styles and forms which clash in different ways.

If we don't factor that in then Mace would seem to be more powerful than Yoda since he could not defeat Sidious.

Factors to be noted:
1)Vapaad will give a larger boost against Sidious. I don't even see what boost Vapaad will give Mace when he's against Dooku. Remeember Mace didn't just keep getting more and more powerful until he was stronger than Sidious. He stopped growing more powerful when his attacks matched Sidious's perfectly evenly. Whilst Dooku and Mace are already pretty even.

2) There was context to the fight in which Mace beat Sidious. The 3 Jedi helping at the start. Sidious feigning lightning weakness in front of Skywalker.

3)Sidious and Dooku are completely different in the way they fight. So a fight between Mace and Dooku would be completely different to a fight between Mace and Sidious.

4) Lets not underestimate Dooku here, and act like he can't hold a candle in any possible way to Yoda, Mace or Sidious. He has in fact fought off Yoda quite well in AOTC. (And before you say he couldn't defeat Yoda on a DS planet, that only helps my case as that same source calls Mace and Dooku equals).

Originally posted by Stigma
When exactly did that sparring matches took place?
Could it be it was years/decades before Mace's prime?

(And I’m not even going to raise the issue that Dooku at the time was a Jedi, here he's a Sith Lord so Vaapad comes into the picture. But this notion you're duking out with KT, so I will step out.)

I've not once claimed if they fought as of ROTS it would be exactly like those sparring matches. I've used that to show Shatterpoint is not some guaranteed victory. And I've also used that along with quotes and they're actual fights to show there clearly is parity between the 2.

See above about the Vapaad thing.

Darth Power, Windu would beat Dooku down worse then he did Sidious. Windu would just hammer away at Dooku with Vaapad and theres nothing Dooku could do about it. A real Sithlord like Freedon Nadd would kill Windu, Dooku, and Sidious in the blink of a eye.

With one brick.

Naga Sadow woulld kill everyone by making a brick fall on their heads.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Naga Sadow woulld kill everyone by making a brick fall on their heads.

He would destroy the death star BY THROWING A BRICK AND HITTING THE CENTER.

Windu most likely.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Concession accepted then. You have no idea how Vapaad works or what it will do.

Concession accepted again. You have no choice but to throw out canon facts of Dooku beating Mace, because you have nothing canonically stating Mace ever beating Dooku.

If Mace was so superior to Dooku in Fencing, then he should have no excuse for losing to him in their sparring matches. Fact.

LOL at me reading the novel again. I doubt you've ever read it yourself, just heard what others have said about it. As someone who has the novel I'll quote you exactly what it says about Djem So vs Makashi:

And only then did Dooku understand that he'd been suckered.
Skywalker's Shien ready-stance had been a ruse, as had his Ataro gymnastics; the boy was a Djem So stylist, and as fine a one as Dooku had ever seen.

Upto this point is proof that Dooku was previously underestimating Skywalker and handling him all wrong which is what leads to the next comment.

His own elegant Makashi simply did not generate the kinetic power to meet Djem So head-to-head. Especially not while also defending against a second attacker.

He can't meet him HEAD TO HEAD. I.e. He can't block head on. As I've already explained Makashi is a one handed style, which is the reason it lacks the kinetic energy generated by 2 handed power strikes. What made that more difficult was fighting off A SECOND ATTACKER.
But if you honestly think the creators of a purely fencing form made the form vulnerable to anyone who uses 2 hands, then you need to stop talking right now, because you obviously have no sense at all if that's what you think.
As I've explained before Makashi isn't about Blocking Head to Head, it's about Redirecting, Slanting away Footwork, Giving ground, precision feints and parries.
Fact is it's the best fencing form. If you don't accept this, then your ignoring canon.

Your the one claiming Sidious is superior to Dooku IN EVERY POSSIBLE WAY Lol, so it's for you to prove how you know this. Because all we know for sure is that Sidious would defeat Dooku in an all out fight.
But since your asking, yes I believe Dooku's fencing SKILL, and saber defending SKLL probably is superior to Sidious's as he is THE Master of the best Fencing form.

What concession? I said Dooku's superior. Any you know he is. You need to stop crying about it.

Give me the exact quote which states that ONLY SITH Anakin was a Level 9, whilst JEDI Anakin was a Level 8 the whole time he fought.

I have the Making of Revenge of the Sith in front of me so have the EXACT quote on the matter. But I want you to provide evidence of the Bullshit you've claimed here.

Skywalker giving into the darkside is what boosts his power and makes him a level 9. Nothing about Sith Anakin and Jedi Anakin are mentioned. And proof Anakin was giving into the Dark Side as he was fighting Dooku. This is from the script while Kenobi is fighting alongside him:

ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry.
And this before he defeats Dooku:
Anakin attacks COUNT DOOKU with a new ferociousness.

Oh and then there's this little fact LOL:

ANAKIN cuts off COUNT DOOKU's head.

You want common sense. Then answer this with any sort of common sense. Dooku fought off 2 level 8's together, and then almost stomped them both together. So how could he Possibly be a level 8 from that demonstration?
Now I'm not against the idea of him being a very High level 8, or a low level 9. I'm just calling you out on your bullshit claim that Sith Anakin was a greater duelist than Zone Anakin and actually a whole level above him LOL
Your arguments are getting so stupid it's actually ridiculous. So Dooku fights off 2 level 8's, but then lose to one so he's obviously an 8. But then Kenobi's superior to a 9 because he beat a 9, so clearly Kenobi is a 10, even though he's stated to be an 8. LOL Your getting really really stupid at this point KT, and you clearly have no Star Wars sources yourself and are just talking out of your ass.

Show me where it states Mace "feeds from a Darksier's mere presence."

Doesn't work like that at all. Mace can deflect Powerful and Aggressive Dark Side attacks back to it's source with the same amount of power, while not giving into the dark side himself.

Since Dooku will most likely be defending himself through Footwork, Redirecting Mace's blows, Giving ground, simultaneous TK attacks, and since Mace and Dooku are peers in terms of force power anyway, then no Mace has no guaranteed win over Dooku at all.

And prove Shatterpoint is some kind of guaranteed win on a neutral setting and over a defensive form! If it was then Mace never would have lost any of those sparring matches.

So I take it you've never heard of Force Enhanced Strength then?

There's no guarantee at all of Mace overpowering Dooku's defenses. Especially not when Dooku uses his free hand to constantly Force push Mace, and telekinetically throw stuff at him.

You not knowing how vaapad works is the only conession going on here... Either your being dumb on purpose or literally don't know what you're arguing about. However, I'm not gonig to sit here and feed you facts you should already know or do know. Not how it works. If you don't know how it works.. when then.. read up.

Nobody is saying he's so superior to dooku that dooku could never beat him even in sparring. Where did I ever say such a thing? Post it or concede I never made such a claim. what I am saying is mace has the clear advantage here and would win a clear majority. Sparring is that, SPARRING, and has littler bearing on a fight. It's like the raiders beating the pakers in preseason... The pakers are the clear better team.. but when the money isn't on the line... they can still lose and do lose against shitty teams. Shit, even during the regular season the Raiders could beat Green Bay.. doesn't mean that Green bay isn't clearly superior. You need to learn these basic points of logic DP.

Thank you for providing the quote I was referring to and backing up EXACTLY what I was saying. Dooku's style can't meet head on Anakin's style... Too much blunt force trauma that takes it tool on dooku (which again was noted via narration) On the contrary... and even mroe pissed off Anakin... was dealing strike after strike to Kenobi.. and not overwhelming him nor overpowering. Kenobi's style can... dooku's, well, it can't as well.

Show me where I said every way possible... what I said is VIRTUALLY every way imaginable. which means.. there might be some areas dooku is better at.. but sidious is the clear winner in most categories and Dooku clear and decisive superior. To which you have no retort except listing thigns you don't have the first clue about if he's better. Concession accepted.. Sidious is dooku's superior in virtually every area and thus if Mace can be beat him and OVERPOWER HIM.. he can do the same to Dooku and easier.

The exact quote I believe says once he turns to the darkside he goes up to 9. That is what it says. he only turned to the DS and fought ONE TIME.. that was against Kenobi. Him tapping into some anger isn't turning to the darkside. i thought this was abundantly clear.. guess not.

You're totally dellusional when it comes to dooku. Dooku didn't almost STOMP ANYBODY at all. In fact, the novel makes it clear he was going to lose if he didn't seperate them. His reserves were being taxed and he was in trouble. This is made crystal clear. So stop acting like Dooku was stomping anybody.. he got decapitated one v one.. so how on earth was he stomping a 2 v 1 fight? jesus DP.. you say some pretty dumb stuff sometimes.

Originally posted by Zett
I've posted this part of script, because KT was using it as argument. In fact, Stover in his novel is using that part of script (moment when jedi were holding back). But it was finally cut off from the movie, so it contradict movie version. The only canon version is movie version, and Rise and Fall of Darth Vader is desribing this fight perfectly.

Wait.. when in the movie was it said they weren't holding back.. what do you mean Lucas took it out.. he took WHAT OUT and WHERE WAS IT TAKEN OUT? if there is oothing in the movie that alludes to them not holding back.. they were holding back per the script and nothign contradicting it.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You not knowing how vaapad works is the only conession going on here... Either your being dumb on purpose or literally don't know what you're arguing about. However, I'm not gonig to sit here and feed you facts you should already know or do know. Not how it works. If you don't know how it works.. when then.. read up.

I have the ROTS novel. No where does it say Mace feeds off the Darksider until he becomes more powerful than them. And it in fact doesn't even happen.

You have no clue as to how Vapaad works and you have no sources/quotes to back you up, so I accept your concession on the matter.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Nobody is saying he's so superior to dooku that dooku could never beat him even in sparring. Where did I ever say such a thing? Post it or concede I never made such a claim. what I am saying is mace has the clear advantage here and would win a clear majority. Sparring is that, SPARRING, and has littler bearing on a fight. It's like the raiders beating the pakers in preseason... The pakers are the clear better team.. but when the money isn't on the line... they can still lose and do lose against shitty teams. Shit, even during the regular season the Raiders could beat Green Bay.. doesn't mean that Green bay isn't clearly superior. You need to learn these basic points of logic DP.

Which proves Shatterpoint is no guaranteed win. And there's nothing pointing to Mace's clear superiority over Dooku.

You know nothing about basic points. You have zero evidence on your side. I have:

1)Their sparring sessions
2) Their fights against each other
3) Canon quotes comparing the 2
4) Comparison of common foes they've both fought.

You have nothing except bullshit claims that Makashi can't handle any form that uses to hands LOL LOL and your continual wanking over Mace beating Sidious with help and in a very context specific scenario.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thank you for providing the quote I was referring to and backing up EXACTLY what I was saying. Dooku's style can't meet head on Anakin's style... Too much blunt force trauma that takes it tool on dooku (which again was noted via narration) On the contrary... and even mroe pissed off Anakin... was dealing strike after strike to Kenobi.. and not overwhelming him nor overpowering. Kenobi's style can... dooku's, well, it can't as well.

You have some serious reading comprehension. I'm not taking this point further with someone so illiterate.

I've provided evidence that Makashi is clearly NOT WEAK to other forms. It is in fact the best fencing form as confirmed by countless sources.

It was only Skywalker's RAW POWER(Power that is beyond Mace. Yes Beyond him), which was taxing Dooku's force reserves. And yet he still almost defeated Kenobi and Skywalker together.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Show me where I said every way possible... what I said is VIRTUALLY every way imaginable. which means.. there might be some areas dooku is better at.. but sidious is the clear winner in most categories and Dooku clear and decisive superior. To which you have no retort except listing thigns you don't have the first clue about if he's better. Concession accepted.. Sidious is dooku's superior in virtually every area and thus if Mace can be beat him and OVERPOWER HIM.. he can do the same to Dooku and easier.

Playing semantics here KT? Your saying Sidious is better than Dooku in every way. I know much much more about Star Wars than you, and I have many plenty of SW sources which you don't. And I am telling you Count Dooku is unrivaled in his Fencing Skill.

You also know nothing about combat playing this A>B>C argument.

Sidious and Dooku have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT combat styles. So Mace vs Dooku will be a completely different fight to Mace vs Sidious.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The exact quote I believe says once he turns to the darkside he goes up to 9. That is what it says. he only turned to the DS and fought ONE TIME.. that was against Kenobi. Him tapping into some anger isn't turning to the darkside. i thought this was abundantly clear.. guess not.

So you have no quote. Concession accepted. It's only abundantly clear in your head which is full of your own bull shit ideas.

I have the Making of Revenge of the Sith which clearly states it's tempting for level 8 Jedi like Anakin to use the darkside because it takes them straight up to a 9. Obviously he's tempted to do that while fighting as a Jedi. There's no temptation left after he's converted to Sith to save his wife.

On top of that both the NOVEL and the SCRIPT make it abundantly clear that Skywalker used his full rage to defeat Dooku. After utilizing that level of rage there's nothing else a Sith Lord has in the Dark Side to boost one's power.

Of course Evidence, Logic and Common sense are beyond you.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're totally dellusional when it comes to dooku. Dooku didn't almost STOMP ANYBODY at all. In fact, the novel makes it clear he was going to lose if he didn't seperate them. His reserves were being taxed and he was in trouble. This is made crystal clear. So stop acting like Dooku was stomping anybody.. he got decapitated one v one.. so how on earth was he stomping a 2 v 1 fight? jesus DP.. you say some pretty dumb stuff sometimes.

LOL LOL So Dooku Never almost stomped anyone? And your calling me delusional?

I suggest you watch the fight again and refer to 1:16 ands 1:31-1:43:

YouTube video

That's literally a good 10 seconds Skywalker( A LEVEL 8!) was flattened while Kenobi (ANOTHER LEVEL 8!) was being completely trashed.

And notice at 1:31 he actually parries back both their Sabers first leaving them both dazed ( THATS 2 LEVEL 8'S!) LOL

You are beyond stupid, and your continuous wanking of Mace Windu is really not worth my time anymore. I've wasted enough giving you evidence and and arguments which were wasted from Day 1 on your Mace Windu Stiffy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait.. when in the movie was it said they weren't holding back.. what do you mean Lucas took it out.. he took WHAT OUT and WHERE WAS IT TAKEN OUT? if there is oothing in the movie that alludes to them not holding back.. they were holding back per the script and nothign contradicting it.

LOL you really need to watch the fight again. There was no FAKING FORMS LOL. The video's above. Kenobi gets stomped at 1:16 and 1:31. They both get stomped at 1:31 in fact.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Wait.. when in the movie was it said they weren't holding back.. what do you mean Lucas took it out.. he took WHAT OUT and WHERE WAS IT TAKEN OUT? if there is oothing in the movie that alludes to them not holding back.. they were holding back per the script and nothign contradicting it.

Ok.

OBI-WAN and ANAKIN move toward DOOKU.
OBI-WAN: You won't get away this time, Dooku.
OBI-WAN and ANAKIN charge COUNT DOOKU. A great sword fight ensues.
COUNT DOOKU: I've been looking forward to this.
ANAKIN: My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count.
COUNT DOOKU: Good. Twice the pride, double the fall.

This part doens't looks like they are holding back.
They probably do in another:

DOOKU lunges at the JEDI and they fall back . . .
COUNT DOOKU: (continuing) Your moves are clumsy, Kenobi . . . too predictable. You'll have to do better.
As the battle proceeds, OBI-WAN and COUNT DOOKU are tired. ANAKIN is stronger as he becomes angry.

Yeah, here it is. But, oh wiat, this part was cut off.

COUNT DOOKU throws OBI-WAN back using the Force.
ANAKIN and COUNT DOOKU move up the stairs. As they reach the upper landing of the General's Quarters, ANAKIN leaps over COUNT DOOKU. OBI-WAN reaches the top of the stairs, destroying TWO SUPER BATTLE DROIDS. COUNT DOOKU holds OBI-WAN in the air using the Force as he turns and kicks ANAKIN out of frame. OBI-WAN is choking.
ANAKIN hits the archway.

And here is the rest. As you can see, this part when jedi are holding back was cut off. I've posted it already. Can't you read?

I don't see anywhere in the script that even hints to the Jedi "Faking forms". It was a stupid concept anyway. They wouldn't mess around when up against with a Sith Lord, and clearly did not in the movie.

Also freeze at 1:13. It clearly shows Makashi's and Dooku's weakness to 2 handed forms:

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

YouTube video

LOL He's parrying off 3 hands there, including a Cyborg arm.

Sorry(to anyone reading) for all the spelling and grammar errors in my last couple of posts.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
I have the ROTS novel. No where does it say Mace feeds off the Darksider until he becomes more powerful than them. And it in fact doesn't even happen.

You have no clue as to how Vapaad works and you have no sources/quotes to back you up, so I accept your concession on the matter.

Which proves Shatterpoint is no guaranteed win. And there's nothing pointing to Mace's clear superiority over Dooku.

You know nothing about basic points. You have zero evidence on your side. I have:

1)Their sparring sessions
2) Their fights against each other
3) Canon quotes comparing the 2
4) Comparison of common foes they've both fought.

You have nothing except bullshit claims that Makashi can't handle any form that uses to hands LOL LOL and your continual wanking over Mace beating Sidious with help and in a very context specific scenario.

You have some serious reading comprehension. I'm not taking this point further with someone so illiterate.

I've provided evidence that Makashi is clearly NOT WEAK to other forms. It is in fact the best fencing form as confirmed by countless sources.

It was only Skywalker's RAW POWER(Power that is beyond Mace. Yes Beyond him), which was taxing Dooku's force reserves. And yet he still almost defeated Kenobi and Skywalker together.

Playing semantics here KT? Your saying Sidious is better than Dooku in every way. I know much much more about Star Wars than you, and I have many plenty of SW sources which you don't. And I am telling you Count Dooku is unrivaled in his Fencing Skill.

You also know nothing about combat playing this A>B>C argument.

Sidious and Dooku have COMPLETELY DIFFERENT combat styles. So Mace vs Dooku will be a completely different fight to Mace vs Sidious.

So you have no quote. Concession accepted. It's only abundantly clear in your head which is full of your own bull shit ideas.

I have the Making of Revenge of the Sith which clearly states it's tempting for level 8 Jedi like Anakin to use the darkside because it takes them straight up to a 9. Obviously he's tempted to do that while fighting as a Jedi. There's no temptation left after he's converted to Sith to save his wife.

On top of that both the NOVEL and the SCRIPT make it abundantly clear that Skywalker used his full rage to defeat Dooku. After utilizing that level of rage there's nothing else a Sith Lord has in the Dark Side to boost one's power.

Of course Evidence, Logic and Common sense are beyond you.

LOL LOL So Dooku Never almost stomped anyone? And your calling me delusional?

I suggest you watch the fight again and refer to 1:16 ands 1:31-1:43:

YouTube video

That's literally a good 10 seconds Skywalker( A LEVEL 8!) was flattened while Kenobi (ANOTHER LEVEL 8!) was being completely trashed.

And notice at 1:31 he actually parries back both their Sabers first leaving them both dazed ( THATS 2 LEVEL 8'S!) LOL

You are beyond stupid, and your continuous wanking of Mace Windu is really not worth my time anymore. I've wasted enough giving you evidence and and arguments which were wasted from Day 1 on your Mace Windu Stiffy.

LOL you really need to watch the fight again. There was no FAKING FORMS LOL. The video's above. Kenobi gets stomped at 1:16 and 1:31. They both get stomped at 1:31 in fact.

You already conceded you have no clue how vaapad works. That isn't my issue. I never said he's going to feed off of Dooku to surpass him in power. The feeding I was alluding to was Mace force reserves being replenished off the energy of Dooku. These are the facts that can't be gotten around

1. Dooku is a DSer... Vaapad works well against DSers
2. His DS energy can be sensed as Yoda illustrated.
3. Mace can use said DS energy against Dooku
4. Mace has done so before so somebody even more powerful than Dooku

These are the facts that simply can't be gotten around. Unless you're claiming Mace won't be able to get any boost.. amp.. or anything from dooku.. is that your claim?

Nothing to proves clear superiority? You mean other than combat feats? Mace has beaten somebody that is Dooku clear and decisive superior. That is the greatest combat feat between them and dooku can't match said feat. Combat feats trump any narration. All you've given me is narration and sparring.. not even close to the same weight as combat feats.

My claim isn't t soley that Dooku's style will be worn down before Mace's... that is just aother fact.. My claim is that Mace is the superior duelist thanks for Shatterpoint and Vaapad. That is my main argument which most everybody but you agrees with. There is no getting around those facts.

I've already proven that Dooku's style can't go head on with somebody using powerful strikes like Anakin and mace. Nobody is saying he'll just lose right away. However, as narration makes clear, eventually he'll get worn down and taken out.

Think about what you said.. you said you've PROVEN it's not weak to other forms.. actually you haven't given any proof of that what so ever. Then you further this claim but going it's actually the best fencing form and you think THAT proves it's not vulnerable to other forms. WTF does it being the best fencing form have to do with it not being vulnerable. CANON NARRATION IS GREATER THAN YOUR OPINION. Canon narration says it can't go against certain forms using two handed powerful strikes. Which is clear common sense you nitwit. Imagine a fencer going against a viking with their long sword. That is the analogy that proves this. Just the fencer blocking a two handed strike from a long sword would cause damage and he wouldn't be able to deflect that kinetic energy with just one hand. That is what we have going on here. By the way... Anakin at that point ISN'T stronger than mace or more powerful. . Mace is his superior in the force and in sabers. What exactly is anakin better at again?

So.. WHAT ELSE is Dooku superior at than Sidious.. You have listed jack shit except he's a better at fencing... BIG WHOOP. What else is he better at. He could be better at takign a dump to.. but who cares... Sidious is his clear and decisive superior. Mace beat Dooku's clear and decisive superior.. That means it's more likely that Mace would win than Dooku. This isn't hard and nobody is agreeing with you AT ALL that Dooku has a chance for a majority here. How can you believe you're right when literally nobody is agreeing with you.

There is no stomping dooku got beheaded one v one... there was no stomping what so ever. The novel makes it crystal clear which you conceded... says Dooku had to seperate them or else he would be taken out. How could somebody be stomping someone yet needing to seperate them or else he'll lose. That is one of the most idiotic thigns you've ever said.. and trust me.. you've said some dumb stuff.

The novel made it clear they were faking forms and there is NOTHING in the movie to suggest they weren't. So that stands as canon.