Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😬Are you sure you replied to the right post? Because that's what I said.
Surtur's power would have destroyed the Multiverse using Otherworld to spread his power into every reality. Without Otherworld, it's still enough to consume whichever Universe he's in but wouldn't destroy everything.
Loki and Surtur's explanation of events about to transpire were pretty much this: throwing the fire into Otherworld would have been akin to flinging a lighter into a lake of gasoline. Surtur's fire on its own could only raze a single reality, Otherworld would have exponentially amped its power to a multiversal scale.
Apart from the above-mentioned little tidbit, I agree with your side of the debate mostly in this thread regarding Odin's recent feats.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIt didn't amp the fire but acted as a door way to the rest of the reailtes
It honestly appears as if you made it sound like the creation-burning fire operates at the same scope irrespective of Otherworld or not.Loki and Surtur's explanation of events about to transpire were pretty much this: throwing the fire into Otherworld would have been akin to flinging a lighter into a lake of gasoline. Surtur's fire on its own could only raze a single reality, Otherworld would have exponentially amped its power to a multiversal scale.
Apart from the above-mentioned little tidbit, I agree with your side of the debate mostly in this thread regarding Odin's recent feats.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Paying attention to detail is important. Also, what the Black Witch did with that power is irrelevant as feats don't transfer like that. Not that one-shotting some Metas is noteworthy, but still.
High meta to mid herald range but are you actually saying Mordru couldn't have done it. Do you actually need to be shown Mordru doing it? Spend some time applying logic instead of downplaying.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The most impressive thing this Mordru did was partially drain the power out of like a dozen Legion members (Who aren't exactly High Heralds) and torture Golem. And then he was owned with one counter spell from his understudy.I'm sorry, but those being his only feats in that incarnation is pretty bad. This isn't some random Skyfather who lacks feats and something of this nature would be noteworthy.
He was owned by his own spell. WW used Mordru's own incantation against him. Not a counter. With you pointing out how I left out information you turn around and do the same. Kinda hypocritical.
Mordru has gone blow for blow with Nabu. A being who was giving DOV Spectre problems. Now with the power of a universe behind him, you don't think Odin would have any major problems? He had no low showings in this arc and that energy manipulation feat by WW is something that could be used against Asgard being that it was Mordru's power anyway.
Another thing, let's say Odin appears in an arc but doesn't do much. Would that incarnation always lose by default to a being considered his peer because of a lack of feats from said arc?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You very specifically said that it was just Prime tanking attacks that could not put him down. But he was down and out. That's a very important fact to leave out.Yea, a sucker shot from Prime Trapper only knocking Superman, Lighting Lad, Cosmic Boy, and Saturn Girl off their feet definitely helps his case against Odin instead of making him look meh:
He tanked a multiverse worth of legion attacks and was only koed a minute which isn't bad at all.
It's pretty clear that before Trapper Prime was revealed, the threat of Time Trapper was assessed by a alternate Brainiac as something that can eradicate universes.
It's just that this particular idea of becoming Trapper Prime didn't go as planed because Prime wasn't intrested in helping.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're going to have to post some evidence to support that.
Instructions from Brainiac 5:
"you need to weaken Time Trapper as much as you can, right now"
^ Obviously, the legionnaires already present weren't sufficient. Pretty sure Johns is letting the reader know that this will take a TOTAL team effort.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Probably more then Prime as he was getting his teeth fed to him at the time.
Imaginary loose teeth>>>beat to death
Originally posted by Sundipped
High meta to mid herald range but are you actually saying Mordru couldn't have done it. Do you actually need to be shown Mordru doing it? Spend some time applying logic instead of downplaying.
Mordru didn't accomplish it, he only started. You said he did. Excuse me for clarifying and not being misleading.
Originally posted by Sundipped
He was owned by his own spell. WW used Mordru's own incantation against him. Not a counter. With you pointing out how I left out information you turn around and do the same. Kinda hypocritical.
I didn't mean the counter-spell was her own invention. You posted the scan and I specified she was his understudy. Thought that was obvious, my apologies.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Mordru has gone blow for blow with Nabu. A being who was giving DOV Spectre problems. Now with the power of a universe behind him, you don't think Odin would have any major problems? He had no low showings in this arc and that energy manipulation feat by WW is something that could be used against Asgard being that it was Mordru's power anyway.
No, not with what how he was portrayed in his arc I'm afraid. His big feat was draining some power of a dozen Legion members. 😬
No it cannot. White Witch absorbing all of Mordru's power into herself is irrelevant as to what Mordru can accomplish. Not only would she have more power, we saw that when the chips are down, she's the craftier magician.
Originally posted by Sundipped
Another thing, let's say Odin appears in an arc but doesn't do much. Would that incarnation always lose by default to a being considered his peer because of a lack of feats from said arc?
If Odin doesn't do much, that's fine. But if everything that he does do is incredibly mediocre and very much unimpressive, then I'd wager this Odin isn't very powerful in regards to portrayals.
Originally posted by Sundipped
He tanked a multiverse worth of legion attacks and was only koed a minute which isn't bad at all.
Correction, he tanked attacks from some Legion members of a Multiverse of Legions.
Originally posted by Sundipped
It's pretty clear that before Trapper Prime was revealed, the threat of Time Trapper was assessed by a alternate Brainiac as something that can eradicate universes.It's just that this particular idea of becoming Trapper Prime didn't go as planed because Prime wasn't intrested in helping.
That's cool but I have no idea how you think that overrides his actual fight which is far more relevant in a vs. thread? Especially since that talks about his potential and possible threat level and Time Trapper is known to mess with time. Which issue is that scan from incidentally?
Originally posted by Sundipped
Instructions from Brainiac 5:
"you need to weaken Time Trapper as much as you can, right now"^ Obviously, the legionnaires already present weren't sufficient. Pretty sure Johns is letting the reader know that this will take a [b]TOTAL
team effort.[/B]
Possibly, but using such flimsy logic to assume that every single Legion member attacked Prime Trapper off-panel is a completely different animal and needs to be supported by actual scans.
Originally posted by SundippedDifferent Mordru?
Mordru has gone blow for blow with Nabu. A being who was giving DOV Spectre problems. Now with the power of a universe behind him, you don't think Odin would have any major problems? He had no low showings in this arc and that energy manipulation feat by WW is something that could be used against Asgard being that it was Mordru's power anyway.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Mordru didn't accomplish it, he only started. You said he did. Excuse me for clarifying and not being misleading.I didn't mean the counter-spell was her own invention. You posted the scan and I specified she was his understudy. Thought that was obvious, my apologies.
No, not with what how he was portrayed in his arc I'm afraid. His big feat was draining some power of a dozen Legion members. 😬
No it cannot. White Witch absorbing all of Mordru's power into herself is irrelevant as to what Mordru can accomplish. Not only would she have more power, we saw that when the chips are down, she's the craftier magician.
If Odin doesn't do much, that's fine. But if everything that he does do is incredibly mediocre and very much unimpressive, then I'd wager this Odin isn't very powerful in regards to portrayals.
Correction, he tanked attacks from some Legion members of a Multiverse of Legions.
That's cool but I have no idea how you think that overrides his actual fight which is far more relevant in a vs. thread? Especially since that talks about his potential and possible threat level and Time Trapper is known to mess with time. Which issue is that scan from incidentally?
Possibly, but using such flimsy logic to assume that every single Legion member attacked Prime Trapper off-panel is a completely different animal and needs to be supported by actual scans.
1. You still didn't answer the question.
2. Ok it just sounded like you were trying to make Mordru out to be some weak feeb or something.
3. You didn't answer the question, would Odin lose or not?
4. Yeah, I'd wager a high number.
5.It doesn't but I didn't see the word potential there. Lo3W 2.
6. Maybe not every single one but a good majority.
Originally posted by Sundipped
1. You still didn't answer the question.2. Ok it just sounded like you were trying to make Mordru out to be some weak feeb or something.
3. You didn't answer the question, would Odin lose or not?
4. Yeah, I'd wager a high number.
5.It doesn't but I didn't see the word potential there. Lo3W 2.
6. Maybe not every single one but a good majority.
1. Yes, if you claim Mordru did something, you need to post scans of him doing so. I thought that went without saying?
2. I don't need to do that. Posting scans from the comic does that for me. 😖hifty:
3. Lose to who? I'm unclear by what you meant here.
4. I'd wager that the only Legion members that you can conclusively claim attacked Prime Time Trapper, are the only ones that we see attacking him. Because that's how things work.
5. I'll be more specific then, he said: could.
6. Prove it.
