Here's the importance of Cyber Warfare

Started by Bardock426 pages
Originally posted by Dolos
I was unaware of "Faraday cages".

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Originally posted by Dolos
inimalist, you're an excellent empirical-sceptic but your field is psychology so quit trying to hate.

and what field do you have a Master's degree in?

well, sure, and here is a psychology related question:

if you had access to the technology you are describing being used to attack the American nuclear facilities, why do you need the nukes? They would be a step backwards in warfare capability.

Originally posted by Dolos
Talking to you as well, SC.

I dunno, the fact that I know more about this than you despite it not being my field makes you look pretty bad.

Originally posted by Dolos
I was unaware of "Faraday cages". This is interesting.

You're a futurist and you're not aware of behavior of electrical fields?

at this thread.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I dunno, the fact that I know more about this than you despite it not being my field makes you look pretty bad.?

It's not his field either, so he ends up looking bad either ways.

Originally posted by Dolos
Nothing's insoluble so we could do this all day.

Will you accuse me of being less than pragmatic with the solutions I create? So far so good before your reply, or no?

You can pretend stuff about future tech all you want: notice I have not commented on those. Just the "current" stuff you've talked about.

Originally posted by Oliver North
and what field do you have a Master's degree in?

I really dislike that I cannot say this, currently. 🙁 However, I won't say it when I can..in...about...1 year and 3 months. estahuh

Originally posted by Oliver North
and what field do you have a Master's degree in?

well, sure, and here is a psychology related question:

if you had access to the technology you are describing being used to attack the American nuclear facilities, why do you need the nukes? They would be a step backwards in warfare capability.

First of all, I'm not attacking any particular nation in my scenario. How so? The destructive capacity of nukes or bioweapons are not surpassed by AI that cannot be forced into minds without consent. I'm not talking about setting the nukes free here, I'm talking about protecting life by seizing control of them. They'll never be launched.

My field is snide remarks, and I excel at it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
My field is snide remarks, and I excel at it.

That's my field, too. But I visio and word at it.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I really dislike that I cannot say this, currently. 🙁 However, I won't say it when I can..in...about...1 year and 3 months. estahuh

to be fair, I've also never used it to try and stifle criticism of my points, and even with Dolos, there are several times I've posted far more than needed in an attempt to try and explain my points better to him.

I only mention it because he was attempting to dismiss everyone because they didn't have the necessary expertise, which he obviously doesn't have. As it stands, it was close to him attempting to use my education as a reason why I shouldn't participate in his thread.

I said one at a time.

You know you're always welcome in my threads Oliver.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You can pretend stuff about future tech all you want: notice I have not commented on those. Just the "current" stuff you've talked about.

I really dislike that I cannot say this, currently. 🙁 However, I won't say it when I can..in...about...1 year and 3 months. estahuh


In three years I'll have a Master's in Creative Writing...

...and I'll be more qualified to talk about the sciences than Dolos. g_serious

Originally posted by Oliver North
and what field do you have a Master's degree in?

Dolos' field is super-science. /pwned

Originally posted by Dolos
I said one at a time.

You know you're always welcome in my threads Oliver.

You know, opening a thread doesn't give you any special power about who participates in it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You know, opening a thread doesn't give you any special power about who participates in it.
Careful, he'll cyber warfare your ass if you offend him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Careful, he'll cyber warfare your ass if you offend him.

He doesn't know what a Faraday cage is, and most of his ideas are slight variations of Asimov short stories, I think I'll be alright.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not how it works.

There exists and entire area of Cyber and Physical Security known as "Secure System Controls". These integrate PLCs, VPNs, firewalls, and isolated networks that literally cannot communicate to anything outside their network because it is physically impossible to connect (no Wi-Fi, physical connection points, and a physically isolated network).

The idea that anyone could "hack" into a missile network and launch some of the US ICBMs with 10+ Megaton Warheads is not only preposterous, it is fear-mongering.

To put it more directly, the missiles cannot be launched without several authentication mechanisms being hacked AND physical interaction. So unless a hacker cannot only hack all layers of security (hilariously impossible even with every single computing device in the world being used at once to brute force hack one or more of those layers: we are talking hundreds of trillions of years required for just one layer) but also be at the physical controls (which are completely isolated and require you get past isolated authentication mechanisms, physical security measures, automated security measures, and several layers of human security).

Here's a story: one of my college mentors was hired by the Navy to both hack and "socially engineer" his way into a secure naval facility. It was the type of facility that was not even "top-secret" secured. He made his way into the facility and got as far as being able to physically touch a switch closet (which required him to get passed 3 layers of physical security including "picking" a lock..let's forget about the cameras...he did not go into details how he got around that). This project of his took 2 months of planning to execute, insider knowledge of his target from top-level Naval Officers (because they hired him to do this as part of a secure audit process that routinely tests their security), and his years of experience of hacking and infiltrating secure facilities.

Here's what happened when he got to a switch closet to start some of his real hacking: he ended up with a gun in his back by a guard. Based on how he tells the story, he was pretty dang close to getting shot to death (being shot vs. being shot with the specific purpose of killing the target is obviously different). He had to have his orders on his physical person. If he reached for them, he would have been shot. There was a particular procedure he had to complete that got him out of that situation (I believe it was announcing his name, assignment, and orders).

Then the guard's CO? arrived to pick up and confirm his orders (they were called in and he was the picked up and "debriefed"😉. He was caught because he did something/ANYTHING to the switches which set off security servce. This "network state" is monitored by IDS/IPS.

This is at a lower-level military facility. The security measures at a nuke weapons facility will be much higher: possibly the most secure facilities, in the world.

I hope that clears up any notion you had that "hacking nukes" was feasible: it's just Hollywood Bullsh*t. An infinite amount of 0-Days will never get you into a network that is physically isolated from the rest of the world.

TL: DR America! F*** YEAH! estahuh

Because this is Hollywood? rofl

Nicely put. Some of what you say is a bit off, but not so much that there is any need to correct any of it. Nicely put.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dolos' field is super-science. /pwned
Omniscience.

I truly believe I have more brain cells than any human being based on introspective analyses on my inherent mega-memory and how it works compared to other peoples'. I don't have the patience to stick to anything, that's why I'd be a terrible scientist, my focus splinters immediately, I can't seem to change that behaviorally, I need chemical re-wiring. If I get this adderall prescribed I'll be able to access my faculties and with enough synaptogenesis I'll have a PhD before any of you, learning will be exponential until I achieve my ognitive peak in 5 years.

If I don't get it, I will be angry.

I have total recall in regards to learned material beyond just photographic or sensual experience. Material is retained from age 4 and up. For instance, I was never in my first house's back yard since before four years old, so I have no memory of that back yard, I've tested the limits of my memory in this way. My mother (IQ of 140) cannot recall buying my first toy boat or quizzing me on spelling in one specific instance, but I can. But I remember learning about the universe from my mom showing me this picture on her computer. I remember everything, even when I've consumed as much alcohol as others, to the brink of incapacitation, I maintain my total recall and only one other person I know out of 6 maintained even fragments of that situation so far. Captain Morgan helps me type and comprehend spelling (I'd assume by blocking dopamine and neropinephrine re-uptake, as my main issue is focus). Yet I kept all of it. I'm aware and still meta-cognizant (thinking about my actions) when extremely drunk, to the point of fluid comprehension and effective communication with someone sober. My issue is short-term memory, in remembering names once I've effectively remembered a name it's never forgotten, but before that point I'll always confuse names.

Originally posted by Stoic
Nicely put. Some of what you say is a bit off, but not so much that there is any need to correct any of it. Nicely put.

Please correct anything that was mistaken. I don't know everything nor am I privy to everything because it is classified well beyond my clearance.

Obviously, if you have some experience in the military that involved nuclear weapons, you could only say so much. So just say what you can to the point it corrects the things I stated. I'm naturally just curious, too. 😄

Originally posted by Dolos
I have total recall in regards to learned material beyond just photographic or sensual experience. Material is retained from age 4 and up. For instance, I was never in my first house's back yard since before four years old, so I have no memory of that back yard, I've tested the limits of my memory in this way. My mother (IQ of 140) cannot recall buying my first toy boat or quizzing me on spelling in one specific instance, but I can. But I remember learning about the universe from my mom showing me this picture on her computer. I remember everything, even when I've consumed as much alcohol as others, to the brink of incapacitation, I maintain my total recall and only one other person I know out of 6 maintained even fragments of that situation so far. Captain Morgan helps me type and comprehend spelling (I'd assume by blocking dopamine and neropinephrine re-uptake, as my main issue is focus). Yet I kept all of it. I'm aware and still meta-cognizant (thinking about my actions) when extremely drunk, to the point of fluid comprehension and effective communication with someone sober. My issue is short-term memory, in remembering names once I've effectively remembered a name it's never forgotten, but before that point I'll always confuse names.

Cool. I sent you a PM.

Oh god, another Vitus.