Here's the importance of Cyber Warfare

Started by Stoic6 pages

Originally posted by dadudemon
Please correct anything that was mistaken. I don't know everything nor am I privy to everything because it is classified well beyond my clearance.

Obviously, if you have some experience in the military that involved nuclear weapons, you could only say so much. So just say what you can to the point it corrects the things I stated. I'm naturally just curious, too. 😄

Cool. I sent you a PM.

Nah it wasn't much of anything to get bent out of shape over. You were pretty much on the money, but you described or labeled one attack slightly incorrect. What you described as a brute force attack was really more of an DDOS or Alpha Numeric type of attack, but like I said, I really saw no fault in what you said. It was actually very well put. You were pretty damned right about 99% of everything else, so I have no reason to be pedantic with it. Before you stated that you did not study IT security I was convinced that you had. Perhaps you might want to consider IT security or getting your CCNA (Certified Cisco Network Associate's certification or degree).

Originally posted by Stoic
Nah it wasn't much of anything to get bent out of shape over. You were pretty much on the money, but you described or labeled one attack slightly incorrect. What you described as a brute force attack was really more of an DDOS or Alpha Numeric type of attack, but like I said, I really saw no fault in what you said. It was actually very well put. You were pretty damned right about 99% of everything else, so I have no reason to be pedantic with it. Before you stated that you did not study IT security I was convinced that you had. Perhaps you might want to consider IT security or getting your CCNA (Certified Cisco Network Associate's certification or degree).

I screwed up somewhere in my posts because this is exactly what I am studying. I graduate in the spring. 1 B.I.T. in Information Assurance and Digital Forensics and another B.I.T. in IT Enterprise Management.

And the reason I chose a brute force attack (the one where I referenced the trillions of years thing) was due to the adaptive IDS/IPS blocking pretty much any and all DDoS type attacks (assuming any of the PLCs are actually on any type of network that has an internet facing appliance). But I also disregarded a DDoS type of attack because these would be the systems a nuke would be tied into which would be off of the internet logically and physically making a DDoS with a bot-network literally impossible.

Don't let this dissuade you from correcting any mistakes I make, however: I'd rather know the correct information than assuming I'm right.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh god, another Vitus.
Look at posts I've made on forums 5 years ago and compare them to these. Compare my scribble; my inaccurate spelling, the incoherent sentences I'd write in the third grade - when my language was behind 1st graders. My understanding of language has increased exponentially to this point.

I was far better at mathematics, and I understood that on a subconscious level: Always asking about what words meant as a kid and verbally repeating lines from movies, long after I'd watched them, with perfect recollection. I now know that I was somehow aware of how far behind I was to others, and I wanted to know language without realizing why - subconscious introspection.

Re: Re: Here's the importance of Cyber Warfare

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's not how it works.

There exists and entire area of Cyber and Physical Security known as "Secure System Controls". These integrate PLCs, VPNs, firewalls, and isolated networks that literally cannot communicate to anything outside their network because it is physically impossible to connect (no Wi-Fi, physical connection points, and a physically isolated network).

this is the first time i've seen the term PLC. i'm new to studying IT. i assume this is what you are referring to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programmable_logic_controller

can you expand a little on the role one of these devices would play in security?

Originally posted by Dolos
My mother (IQ of 140) cannot recall buying my first toy boat or quizzing me on spelling in one specific instance, but I can. But I remember learning about the universe from my mom showing me this picture on her computer.

Oh, so you can recall pivotal, exciting or unique moments of your life and your mom can't recall these very same mundane and inconsequential moments in hers?

That's fascinating.

Originally posted by Dolos
I have total recall in regards to learned material beyond just photographic or sensual experience. Material is retained from age 4 and up. For instance, I was never in my first house's back yard since before four years old, so I have no memory of that back yard, I've tested the limits of my memory in this way. My mother (IQ of 140) cannot recall buying my first toy boat or quizzing me on spelling in one specific instance, but I can. But I remember learning about the universe from my mom showing me this picture on her computer. I remember everything, even when I've consumed as much alcohol as others, to the brink of incapacitation, I maintain my total recall and only one other person I know out of 6 maintained even fragments of that situation so far. Captain Morgan helps me type and comprehend spelling (I'd assume by blocking dopamine and neropinephrine re-uptake, as my main issue is focus). Yet I kept all of it. I'm aware and still meta-cognizant (thinking about my actions) when extremely drunk, to the point of fluid comprehension and effective communication with someone sober. My issue is short-term memory, in remembering names once I've effectively remembered a name it's never forgotten, but before that point I'll always confuse names.
I for one welcome you as our new supreme overlord. You have gifts far exceeding normal humans and I'm confident that one day you'll be enforcing paradise upon us all. As a future loyal subject to your benevolence, I give you a pre-Utopia "Hail!"

Re: Re: Re: Here's the importance of Cyber Warfare

Originally posted by red g jacks
can you expand a little on the role one of these devices would play in security?

They are designed to be tougher than most other electronics (meaning it takes quite a bit more to cause a failure than regular electronics). They also function as an attack target to cyber terrorists (imagine opening a gate on a sewage plant). But properly isolated PLCs make for pretty dang secure equipment (equipment that requires movement such as, say, braces on an ICBM in a silo). What if your PLC is controlled by a ROM program that is isolated from anything "internet?" You'll have a difficult time doing any "hacking" against a system that doesn't have a network connection, has a physical interface, and cannot be re-programmed (seems like it goes against he P of the PLC, right?...but that's how some PLCs function on sensitive interfaces). Another thing I find hilarious when people start talking about "hacking PLCs"; some PLC types don't even use TCP/IP-IPX-AppleTalke-FDDI-etc. To put it a different way, it would be like a doctor saying she could fix a human's heart valve by clipping her cat's toenails. PERFECT! That should work! 😆

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh, so you can recall pivotal, exciting or unique moments of your life and your mom can't recall these very same mundane and inconsequential moments in hers?

That's fascinating.

YOU intentionally can't comprehend so STOP.

Anyway, nothing could have been more pivotal to me than reading. Lol, I was uninterested in academics, yet anything specifically related to learning information I've retained. I don't recognize visual or "photographic" memories as quickly as learned material. That's why I say, it's the total recall that best indicates high intelligence, more conducive to recollecting information than photographic or sensual eidetic memory.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I for one welcome you as our new supreme overlord. You have gifts far exceeding normal humans and I'm confident that one day you'll be enforcing paradise upon us all. As a future loyal subject to your benevolence, I give you a pre-Utopia "Hail!"

You're jesting. STOP.

Originally posted by Dolos
I have total recall in regards to learned material beyond just photographic or sensual experience. Material is retained from age 4 and up. For instance, I was never in my first house's back yard since before four years old, so I have no memory of that back yard, I've tested the limits of my memory in this way. My mother (IQ of 140) cannot recall buying my first toy boat or quizzing me on spelling in one specific instance, but I can. But I remember learning about the universe from my mom showing me this picture on her computer. I remember everything, even when I've consumed as much alcohol as others, to the brink of incapacitation, I maintain my total recall and only one other person I know out of 6 maintained even fragments of that situation so far. Captain Morgan helps me type and comprehend spelling (I'd assume by blocking dopamine and neropinephrine re-uptake, as my main issue is focus). Yet I kept all of it. I'm aware and still meta-cognizant (thinking about my actions) when extremely drunk, to the point of fluid comprehension and effective communication with someone sober. My issue is short-term memory, in remembering names once I've effectively remembered a name it's never forgotten, but before that point I'll always confuse names.

though it is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel here, let me point out, both memory and attention are systems that are known to work optimally with less neuronal activity; ie: less neurons, better function. The more neurons active during remembering or attending means the more noise in the signal.

Originally posted by Oliver North
though it is sort of like shooting fish in a barrel here, let me point out, both memory and attention are systems that are known to work optimally with less neuronal activity; ie: less neurons, better function. The more neurons active during remembering or attending means the more noise in the signal.
Which is exactly why I get random memories when going introspective. Which is why I have no attention or focus to apply to anything, but all my attention can usually be applied to is everything that pops up. It's not all there all the time, I lack focus. I have to narrow and concentrate and focus to pick certain memories out of the mess, but my brain narrows down when I first learned something like what the first lifeforms on earth were (single celled organisms like mitochondria) in a picture at Montessori. Whenever I pick them, they're filed, and I can go back.

That is why I came to the conclusion that I have more to work with, I don't need to use as high a of percentage of my total faculties to do cognitive thinking, or organize these into files the way I do. Which is why I retain more learning-based memories than is typical. I paid more attention to abstract material than to the physical or sensual. I remember concepts like cells and molecules better than names and faces. I don't need notes, writing it down takes away concentration and I end up absorbing less material. My short-term memory is sacrificed for the long term.

Ergh, just read this, it's more liken to what I'm talking about. Neurogenesis, not synaptogensis. Both could be made to feed off of one other in an auto-catalytic cycle given ample attention.

I'm going to be honest with you for one brief second, Oliver: I might potentially have intelligence, but I'm as dumb as a box of rocks.

Originally posted by Dolos
Look at posts I've made on forums 5 years ago and compare them to these. Compare my scribble; my inaccurate spelling, the incoherent sentences I'd write in the third grade - when my language was behind 1st graders. My understanding of language has increased exponentially to this point.

I was far better at mathematics, and I understood that on a subconscious level: Always asking about what words meant as a kid and verbally repeating lines from movies, long after I'd watched them, with perfect recollection. I now know that I was somehow aware of how far behind I was to others, and I wanted to know language without realizing why - subconscious introspection.

I'm going to have to respectfully decline that offer.

Deep.

7 PhDs:

Nanotechnology, biotechnology, cognitive psychology, genetics, robotics, software engineering which will soon become AI engineering, and cyber security which could become cyber espionage if there's an information technological cold-world war between all super powers - which there will be.

These fields work together for a transhumanist, that's the job title. With genetics, cogno psy, and biotech I can make myself smarter; allowing me to create better nanotech, better robotics, better software, and in turn I can use said tech to augment the way I interface with software when micromanaging domestic or attacking foreign infrastructure. Transhumanism will be the most valuable and well-paying career in the next few centuries. It will slow our being outsourced by information tech. Transhumanists will allow for all other people to stay ahead of Strong AI long enough to enjoy the techno-utopia - because if we slip into apathy it becomes survival of the fittest. Either way, eventually, we'll all have to be assimilated, there's no staying ahead of the substrate-free intelligences.

Dolos, you are like 18-20, ya? meaning 5 years ago you would have been 13-15. If your writing and logical thinking hadn't improved to the degree you are describing, that would be a developmental delay. The period you are describing, extending until ~25 years of age, is the period humans typically develop their more nuanced logical brains, personality trends, and in males, unfortunately, psychosis and schizophrenia.

I think you unnecessarily make the jump from "the human brain is incredible" to "my brain is incredible". Nothing you describe is outside standard variation in human behaviour. I'd gladly test your memory abilities, however, I can't actually think of a proper way to do it over the web.

EDIT: wait... 5 years ago you were in 3rd grade?

I have to say, Dolos is like a real life Sheldon Cooper. And I mean that in the best possible way. You're like, either the internet's greatest troll, or the most interesting guy I've ever met online.

Originally posted by Oliver North
Dolos, you are like 18-20, ya? meaning 5 years ago you would have been 13-15. If your writing and logical thinking hadn't improved to the degree you are describing, that would be a developmental delay. The period you are describing, extending until ~25 years of age, is the period humans typically develop their more nuanced logical brains, personality trends, and in males, unfortunately, psychosis and schizophrenia.

I think you unnecessarily make the jump from "the human brain is incredible" to "my brain is incredible". Nothing you describe is outside standard variation in human behaviour. I'd gladly test your memory abilities, however, I can't actually think of a proper way to do it over the web.

EDIT: wait... 5 years ago you were in 3rd grade?

I am 20.

I was I think 7 in the third grade. I've never been held back. I'm just saying, how did I go from being wayyyyy far behind in the very subject I'm strongest in now? In fact, in elementary school I was below my grade level, then it wasn't until middle-school, but I had a quantum leap several grades ahead of every body else. I was working that subject more than others, and it was my least favorite subject. Autistics usually lack in language, but I excelled in language once I understood my place as an undesirable social reject: language's value as a social-necessity was understood and my communication improved intentionally, but my grades in English improved unintentionally. Once I make a choice, or am motivated enough (sadly through negative reinforcement habitual bullying and one instance of an attempted lynching by a group of ******* pigs) to focus for a little bit, I excel very quickly.

Originally posted by Oliver North
EDIT: wait... 5 years ago you were in 3rd grade?

The bullsh1t he spews is so...bullsh1tty that he doesn't even realize when he's making a legit slip-up which even people who are gullible enough to buy his crap could see.

I am a pathological liar as is my namesake, but you caught me on the wrong thing. My point was that I was basically suffering from a learning disorder pertaining to English, and in three years time I surpassed my peers. I've been posting on internet forums since aged 15, about 5 years after that random jump in vocabulary (7 + 8 = 15). In this 5 years, the increase has shown signs of speeding up, not plateauing at all. I think my potential in the next 5 years could be expedited tremendously on adderall or stronger neurotransmitter exciting stimulants, this is what I meant to communicate earlier.