Originally posted by dadudemonI don't remember that happening. I know it has been argued discusssed and debated many times, by this point. I tried to avoid those conversations in the other thread. Do you have a link to that scene? If so, yes, that would slightly alter my opinion on their durability.
On that first part, that seems to support my idea of why humans went from being completely ineffective against the Transformers to being able to kill them, on foot, just later in the film: pandering to American Patriotism.
Apparently, the Blackout vs. Grindor debate has been waged. They talked about a marking/tattoo on Blackout that appears again in the second film which some take to mean that Blackout really did make a return.
However, the debate should still be over. Megatron's and Blackout's sparks were extinguished and they were dropped in the ocean. That's a dead robot. If that really was Blackout, he was resurrected with that piece of the Allspark which means that Blackout was still killed and my original point about humans posessing the ability to kill Transformers still stands.
The debate IS over. Blackout and Grindor are different characters.
Grindor/Blackout....two different bots.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Grindor_(ROTF) please note the "dont confuse him with this guy" bit.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not according to all promotion, merch and publishing.
Again it litreally came down to someone not getting a memo.The debate IS over. Blackout and Grindor are different characters.
Grindor/Blackout....two different bots.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Grindor_(ROTF) please note the "dont confuse him with this guy" bit.
Debate does not seem to be over, actually:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Blackout_(Movie)#Dreamworks_confirm_Blackout_in_ROTF
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Grindor_(ROTF)
I see polarized arguments over it, to this day.
Edit - Also, even the toys do not agree as some had Blackout and some Grindor. To be clear, it was the toy releases that coincided with the RotF release, not the first film.
Doesn't matter about the 1st film thing.
That was Blackout. Before he was killed.
The other appearance was Grindor.
Known in the movie. Known in the comics. Known apparently in the toy merch, known in the game....
We can't be responsible for klutzes either believing what the choose to believe, regardless of fact or just being indulgent in sematics..
Some people to this day will argue that Frenzy was Red and Rumble was blue.... The original Jap toys were called Rumble(red) and Frenzy (Blue), the western distribution, Comics, Books, merch across the board and all the Canon set by the guys who invented the canon all had Rumble as the Red one, but Sunbow f***ed up and mixed them up for the cartoon.
Rumble is the Red one, (even the current masterpiece releases are named correctly but to those who only bothered with the cartoon (couldn't or didn't read, or didnt get into it enough whatever) will always try to debate fact.
And it is rightly lol'd upon.
In short: Im not fussed about what fools like that think.
Doesn't matter about the 1st film thing.
That was Blackout. Before he was killed.
The other appearance was Grindor.
Known in the movie. Known in the comics. Known apparently in some toy merch*, known in the games....
*The ones that got the memo in time to going to production.
We can't be responsible for klutzes either believing what they choose to believe, regardless of fact or just being indulgent in semantics..
Some people to this day will argue that Frenzy was Red and Rumble was blue.... The original Jap toys were called Rumble(red) and Frenzy (Blue), the western distribution, Comics, Books, merch across the board and all the Canon set by the guys who invented the canon all had Rumble as the Red one, but Sunbow f***ed up and mixed them up for the cartoon.
Rumble is the Red one, even the current masterpiece releases are named correctly but those who only bothered with the cartoon couldn't or didn't read, (or didn't get into it enough whatever) will always try to debate fact.
And it is rightly lol'd upon.
In short: Im not fussed about what fools like that think.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Debate does not seem to be over, actually:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Blackout_(Movie)#Dreamworks_confirm_Blackout_in_ROTF
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Grindor_(ROTF)
I see polarized arguments over it, to this day.
Edit - Also, even the toys do not agree as some had Blackout and some Grindor. To be clear, it was the toy releases that coincided with the RotF release, not the first film.
so basically you found someone else on the internet arguing the same falsehood, and are citing it as evidence. 😂
also for both your links: "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page."
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Doesn't matter about the 1st film thing.
That was Blackout. Before he was killed.
The other appearance was Grindor.Known in the movie. Known in the comics. Known apparently in some toy merch*, known in the games....
*The ones that got the memo in time to going to production.
Ahhh. So that's why some had him labeled as Grindor and some as Blackout.
It speaks volumes of how disjointed the whole process was. Generally, franchises do a much better job of lining up the product merch to the films/series. That's just a symptom of other issues with the production.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
so basically you found someone else on the internet arguing the same falsehood, and are citing it as evidence. 😂
My position: it is not clear and I don't know what the truth is.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
also for both your links: "There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, search the related logs, or edit this page."
You should learn how to use urls better. 🙂
did i click them with the wrong mouse? 🙄
Originally posted by dadudemon
My position: it is not clear and I don't know what the truth is.
it is crystal clear. citing some random misinformed internet retard does not prove that there is an open debate. it just proves that you are acting like an ignorant google-tourist.
Originally posted by focus4chumps
did i click them with the wrong mouse? 🙄
Hint: you usually cannot click wikimedia links to view them. 😐
Originally posted by focus4chumps
it is crystal clear. citing some random misinformed internet retard does not prove that there is an open debate. it just proves that you are acting like an ignorant google-tourist.
I wish I could view the world through your bias glasses. It would make it so much easier to vote, think, and act. 🙁
I was cursed with logic and reason. 🙁
Originally posted by dadudemon
Hint: you usually cannot click wikimedia links to view them. 😐🙁
*cough*
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Grindor_(ROTF)
You just have to know how to repair the fail.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Hint: you usually cannot click wikimedia links to view them. 😐
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
*cough*
oh dear. wrong again. how embarrassing.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Debate does not seem to be over, actually:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Blackout_(Movie) #Dreamworks_confirm_Blackout_in_ROTF
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Grindor_(ROTF)
I see polarized arguments over it, to this day.
Edit - Also, even the toys do not agree as some had Blackout and some Grindor. To be clear, it was the toy releases that coincided with the RotF release, not the first film.
😐
*Fixed to demonstrate*
Didn't meeeeeeeean to be.... innocent
More 'Grindor was Grindor not Blackout' evidence listed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindor
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/File:Rotf-grindor-film-forest-2.png
Free roam gameplay with Grindor, not Blackout.
Pretty conclusive: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Grindor_(ROTF)
"Ordered by The Fallen to capture Sam Witwicky for the information that the AllSpark had imprinted in his mind, Megatron led Starscream and Grindor to Earth, waiting for the human boy to be flushed out by one of their agents. Grindor captured the humans' escape vehicle and brought it to an abandoned industrial facility where Starscream and Megatron were waiting. While Grindor waited outside, Megatron and Scalpel interrogated the boy, preparing to extract the information by removing his brain, a process that was interrupted by the arrival of Optimus Prime and Bumblebee. Optimus briefly fought off Megatron and Starscream before escaping with Sam into the woods.
I predict a checkmate in 4 mo-*stab*.
Megatron followed, but soon called for his soldiers to assist. Grindor played little part in the opening attack, grabbing the Autobot and sawing into his face before being knocked away, but eventually gathered on the outnumbered and outgunned but defiant Optimus Prime. The Autobot leader immediately unsheathed both battle blades and attacked the Decepticons, cutting off Grindor's right arm, slashing into his chest, sending some of Starscream's artillery his way and throwing his right battle blade into the Decepticon's torso. Badly hurt, Grindor required some downtime before he could rejoin the battle, during which Optimus stabbed Megatron and knocked off Starscream's arm.
Grindor was just pulling out the deenergized blade Prime had swung into him when the Autobot unleashed his Energon Hooks and jabbed it into his optic, using the leverage to pull himself onto the Decepticon. Once on top, Prime then struck another hook into Grindor, then proceeded to tear his head apart, killing Grindor. As he pushed the lifeless hulk to the ground, Optimus contemptuously commented on the material Grindor was made of."
Ergo: Theres no real debate.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
*cough*http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Grindor_(ROTF)
You just have to know how to repair the fail.
How dare you repair the links to work!!! 😠
Originally posted by focus4chumps
oh dear. wrong again. how embarrassing.
In no way does that mean I was "wrong." What you were supposed to take away from that was, "I should probably copy and paste the whole thing instead of clicking on it like I'm an 80 year old lady."
Edit - Because of posters like you, I don't trust the links on KMC or most places. I usually copy and paste them into a new tab. You should try that. Could prevent you from opening NSFW links or even prevent pranks like Rick Rolls.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ergo: Theres no real debate.
That's a game, not an official statement from Dreamworks.
I keep seeing an official statement, touted as being from Dreamworks, that Grindor is Blackout. It has yet to be originally sourced, though.
