Originally posted by Cogito
Based on repeatedly being shown as a more powerful telepath than J'onn, who is, at the very worst, Emma's level.
They aren't the same at all. J'onn may in fact be more powerful offensively than Emma (may be is key here), but this is not to say that his defenses are as great as hers are. Emma may be able to hold Despero off long enough for this to remain solely physical. At any rate they have as good of a chance of winning this as he does.
Originally posted by Stoic
They aren't the same at all. J'onn may in fact be more powerful offensively than Emma (may be is key here), but this is not to say that his defenses are as great as hers are. Emma may be able to hold Despero off long enough for this to remain solely physical. At any rate they have as good of a chance of winning this as he does.
Ok, now prove that not only are Emma's TP defenses greater than J'onn's, but also that her ability to shield others is greater than J'onn's ability to shield himself.
Originally posted by Cogito
Ok, now prove that not only are Emma's TP defenses greater than J'onn's, but also that her ability to shield others is greater than J'onn's ability to shield himself.
Well actually what i said was pretty much that no one can prove anything in terms of either being greater than the other. However let's not make this about Emma vs Despero alone, because that is simply not the case. Cain is capable of tanking planet shattering blows with a smile on his face, so I highly doubt that Despero is going to be putting a whole lot of damage on him. Warren has wings that could also cut his head clean off, and as we know, Warren isn't exactly the slow type. The X-Men certainly have the tools to win this on paper, and win it quickly.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well actually what i said was pretty much that no one can prove anything in terms of either being greater than the other. However let's not make this about Emma vs Despero alone, because that is simply not the case. Cain is capable of tanking planet shattering blows with a smile on his face, so I highly doubt that Despero is going to be putting a whole lot of damage on him. Warren has wings that could also cut his head clean off, and as we know, Warren isn't exactly the slow type. The X-Men certainly have the tools to win this on paper, and win it quickly.
Despero has legit super speed, so Warren's hardly an issue. He can possess anyone on the X-Men team. He's wiped the floor with J'onn and Aquaman in TP. He's beaten the JLA singlehandedly, he's defeated 4 Superman level beings singlehandedly (Supes, CM, PG, WW). This team is an f'ing joke.
Originally posted by Cogito
Despero has legit super speed, so Warren's hardly an issue. He can possess anyone on the X-Men team. He's wiped the floor with J'onn and Aquaman in TP. He's beaten the JLA singlehandedly, he's defeated 4 Superman level beings singlehandedly (Supes, CM, PG, WW). This team is an f'ing joke.
You continue to make this into a one on one with Despero when he (Warren) would have all of the help that he needs. You even discounted the time that Superman alone was able to handle him. This team is no joke. You're also using a team of guys that fought him like they would if they just discovered that they had powers and didn't know how to use them. Black Adam as i recall did the same thing to even more hero's than Despero did, but i wouldn't hand him the victory over Thor because he fought a team that was equally holding back to suit the plot.
Originally posted by Stoic
You continue to make this into a one on one with Despero when he (Warren) would have all of the help that he needs. You even discounted the time that Superman alone was able to handle him. This team is no joke. You're also using a team of guys that fought him like they would if they just discovered that they had powers and didn't know how to use them. Black Adam as i recall did the same thing to even more hero's than Despero did, but i wouldn't hand him the victory over Thor because he fought a team that was equally holding back to suit the plot.
1. I just listed times Despero manhandled teams, so I don't know how that's making it 1v1
2. This is V&V Despero, where he manhandled teams
Originally posted by Cogito
1. I just listed times Despero manhandled teams, so I don't know how that's making it 1v1
2. This is V&V Despero, where he manhandled teams
A team that clearly did not use their powers to the best of their abilities. They just flew in and got handled. Superman as i said has withstood more than being skull planted into Captain Marvel in the past. They fought like they didn't know how to use their powers, and were clearly defeated for plot purposes. Despero has been taken down by less.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Despero has been taken down by less, true...But this is a specific, herald team busting incarnation.
Did you see that team operating anywhere near Herald level? More like a bunch of Meta level characters posing as the originals. All the same, Despero could win this, but I see nothing outrageous in thinking that this particular X-Men team could win either.
Originally posted by CogitoPeople without superspeed have beaten superspeedsters.
He fights with speedsters in the JLA, and wins.Here he is chasing J'onn, who's moving pretty quick
Anyways, he's easily faster than anyone on the X-Men team, and nobody in their right mind would argue that.
I don't recall ever denying Despero had flight speed.
Because he has no combat speed feats? Good to know.
