Superman DCNU VS Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Odekahn
Like I said, they were given their powers technologically.

The panel on the page before the first one you linked. Was that Surfer's first appearance in that comic? Likely not.

Sure, but why would he unless he has to or unless the writer is exhibiting Supes invulnerability? Also, "Every durability feat he has is him being hit by something and not dodging" .... No kidding. Lol

Here's the page before Surfer disrupts Vision's energy stores. Not sure what the point is though.

I think you missed my point. Superman gets hit by attacks all the time. Why would you assume Surfer can't hit Superman with his blast even once?

Originally posted by vince_slice
No they weren't. Firelord wasn't and neither was Skaar. Plus why are you assuming Surfer can only affect the energy of beings who were given their powers via science? That makes no sense at all.

Because you haven't shown me anything else.

Here's the page before Surfer disrupts Vision's energy stores. Not sure what the point is though.

My point is that Surfer was already in mid-battle before he did that to Vision. He wouldn't have the time to analyze Clark.

I think you missed my point. Superman gets hit by attacks all the time. Why would you assume Surfer can't hit Superman with his blast even once?

I'm saying by the time he does hit Superman, surfer will have already taken a full unleashed super blitz. If I'm wrong, just show me why. There's 40+years of Surfer feats to choose from.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Its a speed feat, show me better.

That's not a combat feat.

Show me k moving in the way Superman does in that panel.

Are you denying that panel is a show of super speed? Are you claiming then that the Hulk has super speed in the same manner as Superman? Hopefully, your answer to both of those questions is no.

Wrong, he was blitzing and running circles around Superman, but Clark had a quick enough mind and eye to time it right. Flash even knew it was coming right before it hit him. Superman was fast enough to surprise Barry and send him flying back literally with the flick of a finger.

Show me the examples you are talking about, please.

I'm not a surfer expert and I never claimed to be. You don't have to be condescending :/

Lol...is that all you want me to show you? Hulk moving in a blurr fashion? He blitz these two robots before they even fired off a blast. Two robots, not one Lantern.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14061790/IH-01-14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14061794/IH-01-15.jpg.html

I can post more of these if you want but I sure as hell wouldn't say Hulk is to fast for Surfer because of these (even though Hulk has consistently moved this fast, hell, he just blitzed the Ironman).

I'm not claiming anything (even though Hulk "combat speed fts" has been better than this new version of Superman"😉...what I am asking you is to tell me something st least decent enough to prove that Superman can react faster than Surfer, someone who has better movement speed than this version of Superman. From what you've shown or brought up, like I've stated before, your fts isn't enough.

Lol...not a combat ft huh? How about Surfer blitzing Thor at light speed during the Odin and Galactus encounter.?

How fast was Flash moving during that instance? Provide scans proving your case.

Not trying to insult or anything, just trying to point it how flawed your argument is. That's all. I want you to post scans telling me how fast Superman was moving during those instances.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...is that all you want me to show you? Hulk moving in a blurr fashion? He blitz these two robots before they even fired off a blast. Two robots, not one Lantern.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14061790/IH-01-14.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14061794/IH-01-15.jpg.html

I can post more of these if you want but I sure as hell wouldn't say Hulk is to fast for Surfer because of these (even though Hulk has consistently moved this fast, hell, he just blitzed the Ironman).

I'm not claiming anything (even though Hulk "combat speed fts" has been better than this new version of Superman"😉...what I am asking you is to tell me something st least decent enough to prove that Superman can react faster than Surfer, someone who has better movement speed than this version of Superman. From what you've shown or brought up, like I've stated before, your fts isn't enough.

Lol...not a combat ft huh? How about Surfer blitzing Thor at light speed during the Odin and Galactus encounter.?

How fast was Flash moving during that instance? Provide scans proving your case.

Not trying to insult or anything, just trying to point it how flawed your argument is. That's all. I want you to post scans telling me how fast Superman was moving during those instances.

That's not really the same thing though, no distance was covered.

That would be exactly what I want if I'm wrong about something though. I'm not "scared of being wrong" I enjoy the learning and have no hate for any characters... Except maybe Chewbacca.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Because you haven't shown me anything else.

My point is that Surfer was already in mid-battle before he did that to Vision. He wouldn't have the time to analyze Clark.

I'm saying by the time he does hit Superman, surfer will have already taken a full unleashed super blitz. If I'm wrong, just show me why. There's 40+years of Surfer feats to choose from.

Your point doesn't make sense. Surfer doesn't have to analyze Clark. He didn't analyze Vision or Wonder Man when he messed up their energy. He disrupted their energies instantly as shown by my scans. I'll repeat, your point isn't supported by the scans at all.

I've shown you lots of relevant feats, and you've ignored them. Also none of your points make sense, and they contradict on-panel evidence. Why should I waste my time?

LOL he said Hulks recent combat speed feats have been better than DCNU Supermans 😆 Lets see Hulk counter somebody as fast as Flash mid blitz

Originally posted by vince_slice
I've shown you multiple combat feats where Surfer disrupts his opponents energies. You've done nothing but ignore them and claim Superman is immune to energy manipulation with zero evidence.

Your point doesn't make sense. Surfer doesn't have to analyze Clark. He didn't analyze Vision or Wonder Man when he messed up their energy. He disrupted their energies instantly as shown by my scans. I'll repeat, your point isn't supported by the scans at all.

I've shown you lots of relevant feats, and you've ignored them. Also none of your points make sense, and they contradict on-panel evidence. Why should I waste my time?

Actually you showed me two occurrences within the same instance. That's hardly "lots"

Was that the first time Surfer and Wonderman have ever met in their entire history?

I see that a lot of people don't understand what the Surfer's cosmic awareness grants him. He can literally dodge every single asteroid in an asteroid field while moving at greater than light speeds. How in the world do you blitz someone capable of dodging like that? Superman will certainly hit him more times if Norrin allowed the fight to be fought on that level, but once again people aren't seeing the fight on both sides of the fence, and what Norrin will try to do in the fight.

It could go either way, but let's not forget that the Surfer is far faster than Superman in terms of flight speed, and he could turn this into a blast war. Superman would have to stay on him like glue in order to KO him, and even that would be a challenge.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Actually you showed me two occurrences within the same instance. That's hardly "lots"

Was that the first time Surfer and Wonderman have ever met in their entire history?

I also named Firelord and Skaar. That makes four instances.

Not sure.

Its laughable to think Surfer (a cosmic being/high herald) cant deal with speed.

Norin doesn't need weakness exploitation, but its there if need be.

Originally posted by Odekahn
That's not really the same thing though, no distance was covered.

That would be exactly what I want if I'm wrong about something though. I'm not "scared of being wrong" I enjoy the learning and have no hate for any characters... Except maybe Chewbacca.

WTF...we don't see where he starts off blitzing but what we do know is that he can move at a blur. Do you not accept anything? Are you full of denial? Just admit when you are wrong. Here is another blur movement for you.

http://media.bestlittlesites.com/images/users/uploads/10300/HULK2012011_int_LR-3-4.jpg

If you keep denying this, I will post more just to ruin your point. Just admit it, moving in a blur doesn't mean you are faster than Surfer. DANG

Originally posted by vince_slice
I also named Firelord and Skaar. That makes four instances.

Not sure.

You said them. You didn't show them.

Originally posted by Odekahn
You said them. You didn't show them.

Skaar: Son of Hulk #7 and Silver Surfer Vol 3 #19. Look them up. I've shown and referenced enough evidence that Surfer can manipulate people's energies.

So where's your evidence that Superman is completely immune to Surfer's energy manipulation? You haven't shown anything.

Originally posted by Odekahn
We are back where we started. Show an example of a cosmic awareness combat feat.

I'll post the Skaar one just cause I like the art.

Here Skaar uses his Old Power to destroy the planet.

Surfer gets mad and beats the shit out of him. Then he repairs the entire planet with his Power Cosmic.

Surfer seals away Skaar's Old Power.

The Old Power that Surfer sealed away had enough energy to sate Galactus for 100,000 years.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I'm not going digging to try to find and prove a claim that YOU made, lol. Prove what you said or don't, but don't try to turn it on me like it's my fault.

Originally posted by Odekahn
You said them. You didn't show them.

Originally posted by vince_slice
Skaar: Son of Hulk #7 and Silver Surfer Vol 3 #19. Look them up. I've shown and referenced enough evidence that Surfer can manipulate people's energies.

So where's your evidence that Superman is completely immune to Surfer's energy manipulation? You haven't shown anything.

I don't think I ever said Superman is completely immune to Surfer's energy manipulation. I said that he has shown resistance to similar attacks, and by that I mean attacks made against Superman from the inside>out. It was why Manchester Black had so much trouble. Because Superman has a natural defense.

Originally posted by Odekahn
I don't think I ever said Superman is completely immune to Surfer's energy manipulation. I said that he has shown resistance to similar attacks, and by that I mean attacks made against Superman from the inside>out. It was why Manchester Black had so much trouble. Because Superman has a natural defense.

This is DCNU Superman. He doesn't know Manchester.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't accept proof. I won't ever post a scan for someone as close minded as you.

I accept proof if you'll give me some. But if I don't buy into your hyperbole, that's not my fault.