Superman DCNU VS Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I haven't read most of this conversation but I'm going to give my opinion anyways. Why? F*ck Mindset that's why.

Most writers just treat Superman -and other Top Tiers- as mountain level in strength. In the DCnU, I've seen Superman strength described as mountain level (Powerful enough to shatter mountains, lift mountains etc.) a few times. Benching the weight of a planet is the outlier. The closest thing that I can think of is when he unleashed his might on H'el, and the fight was heard across the planet or whatever.

Superman and Wonder Woman feeling the weight of that Aircraft Carrier is more indicative of his usual operating strength level I think.

Could Superman destroy a planet with his punches? Maybe. Probably but at this moment, he isn't equal to Surfer in the space cheese destruction category imo.

Agreed on the fact that aircraft carriers and mountains are the "average" range of strength that this current Superman operates upon.

Considering ultraman just pushed the moon around casually and I doubt he would be portrayed as stronger than superman, its nothing but laughable to think aircraft carriers are average for superman under Johns. Its just a sense of drama, nothing else.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering ultraman just pushed the moon around casually and I doubt he would be portrayed as stronger than superman, its nothing but laughable to think aircraft carriers are average for superman under Johns. Its just a sense of drama, nothing else.

Ultraman has lifted infinity on his own before droolio

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ultraman has lifted infinity on his own before droolio

Originally posted by ODG
This doesn't make much sense. How do you go from 500 lbs. to 1 lb.? If you want to take the body builder analogy further and be more accurate, it'd be like a body builder benching 200 lbs, but not being able to shatter 200 lbs. of iron plates with his fists. Which makes some sense, and is much more appropriate to the scene in question. There is nothing else to work with. Butcher plain English all you want. That's how the punches were described. Apparently planetary benching strength = mountain busting striking power. This is what the comic displayed in no uncertain terms. For you to deny that is just your own preconceptions getting in the way of what is a rather straight-forward scene. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. It's the comic we're working with. Not your own prejudices.

I don't have any prejudices I'm just not going to make more out of something than is clearly there. You were the one who was saying that because of the words used he is limited to that. The analogy is perfect because it's not like he only benched the weight of the earth one time. He did it continuously over the course of five days without effort. But if you want to split hairs okay then let's say someone benched 5 pounds for five days straight like it was nothing. Are you really going to suggest that said individual cannot strike worth 5 pounds of pressure?

Originally posted by Odekahn
But if you want to split hairs okay then let's say someone benched 5 pounds for five days straight like it was nothing. Are you really going to suggest that said individual cannot strike worth 5 pounds of pressure?

No.

Because the 5lbs could be made of adamantium, steel, mahogany, or spaghetti.

Only one of those would I be able to bust.

Don't mix durability with mass.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No.

Because the 5lbs could be made of adamantium, steel, mahogany, or spaghetti.

Only one of those would I be able to bust.

Don't mix durability with mass.

Yeah, because you aren't Superman. Your body isn't more durable than the material mentioned. Are you saying Superman's body isn't more durable than rock and dirt? Not even remotely the same thing. Also, you couldn't bench any of the above for 5 days. That's an important part of this equation. Easily, for 5 days.

What if... what if the metal machines weren't actually producing planetary weight?

Just throwing that out there, someone else run with it.

Holy! This tread exploded.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That was more for laughs. SMH.
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Right? (Only when caught in a lie)

It was damaged and that's how surfer tracked it. Are you doubting your idol now?

I never doubt my idol unfortunately can't say the same for you.

TRAITOR! your house no longer wants you, such is the destiny of one whose mind/ body and soul is so infatuated with Clark 😂 ..

Reaction time. Its good but nothing what you're intending them to be. There is no indication it was instanteneous as surfer hit him just fine while standing perfectly still.

Your not making sense man.

I said its a good calculation feat, and an awesome instant reflex reaction.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Yeah, because you aren't Superman. Your body isn't more durable than the material mentioned. Are you saying Superman's body isn't more durable than rock and dirt? Not even remotely the same thing. Also, you couldn't bench any of the above for 5 days. That's an important part of this equation. Easily, for 5 days.

Your argument is flawed in so many ways.

Guys, the 5 day feat is a valid one. I might not be his average portrayal, but it's still valid.

Though I can't believe people are saying he's "mountain" range. That's a bit low, considering some of the stuff he's done imo.

Originally posted by carver9
Your argument is flawed in so many ways.

How?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, the 5 day feat is a valid one. I might not be his average portrayal, but it's still valid.

Though I can't believe people are saying he's "mountain" range. That's a bit low, considering some of the stuff he's done imo.

Most elite top tiers are well above "mountain" level, I seem to recall Thor sparring with Thor Girl where her punches were described as such....that said, some people seem to be trying to claim that the mountain toppling quote is proof of planet busting strength

Originally posted by Odekahn
I don't have any prejudices I'm just not going to make more out of something than is clearly there. You were the one who was saying that because of the words used he is limited to that.

We had Superman recharge himself directly after the planet benching and engage a Kryptonian dragon with a mountain busting punch, right? Nobody argued that Superman was going all-out against the dragon. But then, a few issues later, Superman is going all-out against H'el. He is explicitly exhibiting power levels greater than when he was benching Earth's weight. And he was throwing out what level of punches? Mountain toppling punches. Again.

There is no hidden meaning to this. It simply means, in rather incontrovertible fashion, that for Superman, benching a planet =/= busting a planet with punches. Why? Because he didn't, and because the comic described how strong they were, i.e., mountain toppling.

Originally posted by Odekahn
The analogy is perfect because it's not like he only benched the weight of the earth one time. He did it continuously over the course of five days without effort. But if you want to split hairs okay then let's say someone benched 5 pounds for five days straight like it was nothing. Are you really going to suggest that said individual cannot strike worth 5 pounds of pressure?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Most elite top tiers are well above "mountain" level, I seem to recall Thor sparring with Thor Girl where her punches were described as such....that said, some people seem to be trying to claim that the mountain toppling quote is proof of planet busting strength

No, some people are trying to limit Superman to only mountain toppling punches despite him effortlessly bench pressing the weight of the Earth for 5 days.

His punches against H'el were described as being powerful enough to topple mountains, not that it was some sort of maximum. The collateral effects of said punches alone should be enough to indicate that.

I'm not aware of any planet destroying collateral effects. To be clear, I don't think Superman tops out at "mountain level", I just don't think that those punches are proof of planet destroying power.

Originally posted by ODG
You mean because of the comic that showed Superman exceeding his previously monitored planet-benching levels and throwing out punches "that could topple mountains"? You were the one who wanted to prove that benching a planet = busting a planet. Turns out, it's not. Within the four corners of the comic, it's toppling mountains-level.

We had Superman recharge himself directly after the planet benching and engage a Kryptonian dragon with a mountain busting punch, right? Nobody argued that Superman was going all-out against the dragon. But then, a few issues later, Superman is going all-out against H'el. He is explicitly exhibiting power levels greater than when he was benching Earth's weight. And he was throwing out what level of punches? Mountain toppling punches. Again.

There is no hidden meaning to this. It simply means, in rather incontrovertible fashion, that for Superman, benching a planet =/= busting a planet with punches. Why? Because he didn't, and because the comic described how strong they were, i.e., mountain toppling. Your bumbling analogy isn't salvaging anything. Striking with 5 lbs. of pressure isn't going to bust a 5 lb. iron plate.

First, my "bumbling" analogy is perfect in relation to the comic world. To say that Superman could bench press the entire weight of a planet effortlessly, but somehow couldn't destroy said planet, despite his body being more durable than any element on said planet, is idiotic.

Of course you can't break a 5 lb iron weight with your fist, because your flesh isn't more durable than the metal, despite its weight. It's really not difficult. Superman is durable enough to fly through the center of the earth, he's strong enough to lift it like its nothing, and you don't think he could bust it?

Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm not aware of any planet destroying collateral effects. To be clear, I don't think Superman tops out at "mountain level", I just don't think that those punches are proof of planet destroying power.

But no one was using that to try to prove he does have planet busting attacks, people were trying to use that AGAINST Superman .