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Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. Proof for what? That Superman is holding back a lot of times when he fights? Are you serious?
2. Huh?
3. No, your tone seemed negative though so I thought it implied.
4. Superman is trying to win the fight, and all fights are assumed full capacity in regards to forum fights.
5. Ok, please show me what you are talking about.

1. Not what I said, you don't read what other ppl post do you? Pls read what people say carefully to stop wasting ppl's time.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. The burden is on you to prove that Superman was holding back and to what extent he was.

2. Exactly.

3. Uh huh.

4. It is not within Superman to unleash planet busting punches.

5. Annihilation vs Ravenous. Vs. Morg. Look it up,

Nibedicus Gaming addict

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Et tu nabisco?

Your courage amidst adversity is admirable. But we all know that you are hurting inside....

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abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
1. Not what I said, you don't read what other ppl post do you? Pls read what people say carefully to stop wasting ppl's time.
2. Exactly.
3. Uh huh.
4. It is not within Superman to unleash planet busting punches.
5. Annihilation vs Ravenous. Vs. Morg. Look it up,

Superman outright said he was trying to be polite against orion just after that blitz.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Your courage amidst adversity is admirable. But we all know that you are hurting inside....
🙁

Yeah, I'm actually dying from laughter the way LordofBrokeBack is clowning around.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Odekahn
Thank you for listening, carver.
Combat speed fts, (something flurry like or response to a flurry, any repeated reflex would be great), and durability.

This blitz looks far better than the one you posted.
http://s388.photobucket.com/user/OneDumbG0/media/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsSilverSurfer17.jpg.html

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by ODG
Superman was throwing out punches whose power levels exceeded those that were monitored when he benched the planet for 5 days. So, no. Apparently, within the four corners of the comic, benching a planet isn't proof you can bust a planet with punches. Because he unequivocally didn't bust the planet while pouring out more strength than he had previously while benching. Apparently, he was capable of busting mountains.

Why would Kal bust a planet? He's a hero 😕

CosmicComet Senior Member

Originally posted by ODG
Superman was throwing out punches whose power levels exceeded those that were monitored when he benched the planet for 5 days. So, no. Apparently, within the four corners of the comic, benching a planet isn't proof you can bust a planet with punches. Because he unequivocally didn't bust the planet while pouring out more strength than he had previously while benching. Apparently, he was capable of busting mountains.

He managed Earth's core to Earth's outer atmosphere reaching punches.

Mountain busting was the least impressive part of the description of the punching.

Also, Earth is never, ever easy to destroy. Plot armor, superior durability due to always being a linchpin in stories etc. Take your pick of the reason, but there's that.

Afterall, we have World Breaker Hulk easily destroying the dark dimension, then being ported back to Earth after he turned giant, meaning even more powerful, and the Earth wasn't busted right away from anything.

Not being able to destroy Earth, does not exclude you from being a planet buster.

It would take far less weight than the Earth's own weight--which Superman can easily exceed, to bust a planet anyway. Not to mention in the same comic that he benched the Earth's weight, Dr. Veritas stated that if they turned the machine up to find Superman's max, they would basically create so much gravity that the Earth would be destroyed/implode anyway.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Bentley
Why would Kal bust a planet? He's a hero 😕

Not the point of what I said. People have suggested that Kal benching Earth proves he can throw out planet busting punches. But the comics explicitly show Dr. Veritas monitoring an all-out Kal's fight with H'el, where he's exerting strength levels greater than when he was benching, but only with "blows that could topple mountains."

So within the four corners of the comic, benching a planet =/= busting a planet.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by CosmicComet
He managed Earth's core to Earth's outer atmosphere reaching punches.
Mountain busting was the least impressive part of description of the punching.

Quick, someone give him a medal. Especially when compared to what other top tiers have done with shockwaves from their blows.

It may be the least impressive thing to you, but that actually was the level of his punches per the comic.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Also, Earth is never, ever easy to destroy. Plot armor, superior durability due to always being a linchpin in stories etc. Take your pick of the reason, but there's that.
Afterall, we have World Breaker Hulk easily destroying the dark dimension, then being ported back to Earth after he turned giant, meaning even more powerful, and the Earth wasn't busted right away from anything.

This has no bearing on what I said.

An amped Fin Fang Foom is pretty tough. Then again, we know what a greater shockwave will do to him, Arm'Chedon, Bi-Beast, Wendigo and an entire planet.

abhilegend Prince of All Saiyans

Originally posted by Ambient
Yet u deemed post a scan, a incomplete foretelling of that event at that. ❌

That was more for laughs. SMH.
As for the teleportation device, it's functionality seems quite fine as is evident in the latter page. So no it does not take away the purpose of its function - teleportation.
It was damaged and that's how surfer tracked it. Are you doubting your idol now?
What do u supposed the physical movement action of his body/limbs and blasting indicate after his manage to mapped the trajectory is called then?
Reaction time. Its good but nothing what you're intending them to be. There is no indication it was instanteneous as surfer hit him just fine while standing perfectly still.

[B]CALCULATION? ❌

I said its a good calculation feat, not that it wasn't a reaction feat at all.
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CosmicComet Senior Member

Originally posted by ODG
Quick, someone give him a medal. Especially when compared to what other top tiers have done with shockwaves from their blows.
It may be the least impressive thing to you, but that actually was the level of his punches per the comic.

It was the first mention of the description, which escalated.

It stated it could destroy mountains indirectly, be felt to the Earth's core, and be felt up in the watch tower. As far as what top tiers do on Earth regularly, its about as good as you're going to get on a regularly basis. Seeing as its inconvenient to have Earth be destroyed.

It wasn't just mountain destroying level, it was Earth's core shaking level. Just saying, describe it accurately, not just the entry level description, in which he's used mountain busting punches before (such as against the kryptonian dragon), and it made no such bigger mess,

This has no bearing on what I said.
An amped Fin Fang Foom is pretty tough. Then again, we know what a greater shockwave will do to him, Arm'Chedon, Bi-Beast, Wendigo and an entire planet.

What are you mentioning Fin Fang Foom for?

It has the bearing in that World Breaker Hulk was destroying a planet in the form of the dark dimension, and then upon turning even bigger from absorbing energy, He and Betty did not do any such comparable damage to Earth--much more important for the plot--, even when in a much weaker form he was making Earthquakes years ago.

The point is simple, Earth is simply not going to be destroyed in a average comic even when you have Earth destroying+ forces present.

Not being capable of destroying Earth does not exclude you from the planet busting category. If you don't have other feats of planet busting, yet feats that imply that you could, and yet you don't bust Earth, it simply leaves you at an unknown placement.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by ODG
Not the point of what I said. People have suggested that Kal benching Earth proves he can throw out planet busting punches. But the comics explicitly show Dr. Veritas monitoring an all-out Kal's fight with H'el, where he's exerting strength levels greater than when he was benching, but only with "blows that could topple mountains."
So within the four corners of the comic, benching a planet =/= busting a planet.

Not really arguing that busting a planet being equal to benching one here, but does the H'el showing dismisses busting planets? Did the scans actually said "this blows can only topple mountains but not planets"?

Because blows that can topple planets can obviously topple mountains so the statements aren't mutually exclusive awesr

carver9 Senior Member

@Cosmic...

Fing Fang withstood the hit, not the planet.You would have a point if the planet was stomped on directly but an amped FF withstood all of that.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Bentley
Not really arguing that busting a planet being equal to benching one here, but does the H'el showing dismisses busting planets? Did the scans actually said "this blows can only topple mountains but not planets"?
Because blows that can topple planets can obviously topple mountains so the statements aren't mutually exclusive awesr

It said mountains instead of planets.

CosmicComet Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
@Cosmic...
Fing Fang withstood the hit, not the planet.You would have a point if the planet was stomped on directly but an amped FF withstood all of that.

That's not even what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about Hulk getting his face stomped into the ground back on Earth while he was giant.

He felt the blow, somewhat, yet before that, he was tanking planet busting forces in the Dark Dimension upon colliding with his wife.

Earth wasn't destroyed, when it should have been.

Bentley Seitei

Originally posted by carver9
It said mountains instead of planets.

You can destroy mountains with punches that can destroy planets.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It was the first mention of the description, which escalated.

No, it was basically the climax of their fight right before H'el punched him off and then Kara saved the day with the inevitable kryptonite stabby-stab.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It stated it could destroy mountains indirectly, be felt to the Earth's core, and be felt up in the watch tower. As far as what top tiers do on Earth regularly, its about as good as you're going to get on a regularly basis. Seeing as its inconvenient to have Earth be destroyed.

It stated no such thing. The blows themselves could topple mountains. It never said that they could indirectly topple mountains.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It wasn't just mountain destroying level, it was Earth's core shaking level. Just saying, describe it accurately, not just the entry level description, in which he's used mountain busting punches before (such as against the kryptonian dragon), and it made no such bigger mess,

It actually basically was just mountain toppling levels. There isn't any hidden text or reading between the lines that makes those punches greater than what they were explicitly described as. And mountain-busting punches apparently can send shockwaves into the Earth's core and into the upper atmosphere. Which, again, isn't planet-busting.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
What are you mentioning Fin Fang Foom for?

Why are you?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It has the bearing in that World Breaker Hulk was destroying a planet in the form of the dark dimension, and then upon turning even bigger from absorbing energy, He and Betty did not do any such comparable damage to Earth--much more important for the plot--, even when in a much weaker form he was making Earthquakes years ago.

Because they weren't striking as hard as they were in their initial clash in the Dark Dimension. This isn't difficult. They can vary the level of their punches. And not every one will result in collaterally one-shotting a planet. We know this, because even in the Dark Dimension, after that initial clash when the planet was reforming beneath them, Betty hit Hulk again and while the shockwave was significant, it didn't destroy Umar's planet instantly again.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The point is simple, Earth is simply not going to be destroyed in a average comic even when you have Earth destroying+ forces present.

It sure isn't. But Worldbreaker Hulk was threatening to destroy it with collateral damage. Which is why Amadeus Cho and Dr. Strange were sh1tting their pants and WBH had to wish their power levels down. Meanwhile, DCnU Superman wasn't threatening to destroy Earth with collateral damage.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Not being capable of destroying Earth does not exclude you from the planet busting category. If you don't have other feats of planet busting, yet feats that imply that you could, and yet you don't bust Earth, it simply leaves you at an unknown placement.

No, it doesn't. But being able to bench planets =/= busting planets within the four corners of the comic. Apparently, per Dr. Veritas' scientific readings: benching planets = mountain toppling blows.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's not even what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about Hulk getting his face stomped into the ground back on Earth while he was giant.
He felt the blow, somewhat, yet before that, he was tanking planet busting forces in the Dark Dimension upon colliding with his wife.
Earth wasn't destroyed, when it should have been.

But it was stated on panel that they would have destoyed Earth if the fight continued. Nothing like that was stated during the H'el scene. We got a indication of what could have happened during both scenes.

CosmicComet Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
But it was stated on panel that they would have destoyed Earth if the fight continued. Nothing like that was stated during the H'el scene. We got a indication of what could have happened during both scenes.

Why wasn't the planet destroyed immediately?

Hulk indirectly busted the Dark Dimension, that was in a weaker form, and then in a stronger form faced an attack that he actually felt, a stomp into the Earth, and it was not destroyed.

The conclusion to make is either, Earth is simply that durable, or Earth is just that important, or both.

ODG Find Your Own Fire

^ Because Hulk and Betty weren't hitting as hard. Characters in comics have been known to throw punches at varying strength levels. Even WBH and WBH Betty. In the Dark Dimension. You should have noticed that. If you weren't so hasty to set up a false absolute to support your narrow opinion.

Originally posted by Bentley
Not really arguing that busting a planet being equal to benching one here, but does the H'el showing dismisses busting planets? Did the scans actually said "this blows can only topple mountains but not planets"?
Because blows that can topple planets can obviously topple mountains so the statements aren't mutually exclusive awesr

If the blows could destroy planets, they probably would have said so.

There's no reason to read a statement, "with blows that can topple mountains" and read that as "with blows that can but are not limited to toppl[ing] mountains, maybe planets too."

This is exceptionally weak rationalizing and a butchering of plain English.