Originally posted by -Pr-
You do it plenty, so I'd be surprised if he wasn't aiming the general statement at you too, seeing as you're consistently one of the worst of the bunch.====
What is the big discussion about here, anyway?
How everyone should chill out, and discuss how awesome it is that I'm around.
Originally posted by ODG
Dr. Veritas was measuring DCnU Superman's output again during his fight with H'el and stated he was exceeding his previous benching strength output. That was because DCnU Superman was no longer holding back. And how powerful were his punches? They were "blows that could topple mountains." Not small moons, not planets. Mountains.
Really? I must have missed that part. That completely throws the argument that Superman benching that machine is indicative of planet busting capabilities out the window.
Originally posted by ODG
1. The notion that Superman isn't as strong as you'd like him to be. (Stupid, isn't it? And because I know this is an Internet forum and you can't understand to text let me put it to you like this... I don't actually think that you believe that I'm just saying that to let you know how stupid what you are saying is to me.)2. Punching with 5 lbs. of pressure doesn't mean you can bust a 5 lb. object with your fist. I feel like I'm talking to a child, so let me run the risk of patronizing you. Heavy-weight boxers can punch with the force of 1,000 psi. They don't run around busting 1,000 lb. objects with their bare fists, ffs.
3. Clench that butt. The blood is noticeably seeping out. That doesn't throw a wrench into anything. It's actually inextricably tied into what I'm saying. Dr. Veritas was measuring DCnU Superman's output again during his fight with H'el and stated he was exceeding his previous benching strength output. That was because DCnU Superman was no longer holding back. And how powerful were his punches? They were "blows that could topple mountains." Not small moons, not planets. Mountains.
If you have trouble comprehending just how incontrovertible these ramifications are, I suggest you reread the comics again. This time, without any mental baggage.
1. I think you are just butt hurt because Superman isn't as weak as you would like him to be.
2. Let's put this into terms that I'm hoping you will understand. Do you think that 5 pounds pressed against a pencil would be able to puncture a 5 pound water balloon? Would the pencil be able to perform as well as against a 5 pound steel weight? No, because of the different textures of the elements. Superman's skin bone and flesh are all stronger than any unknown element irl. It was nothing for him to benchpress the weight of the earth. He did it over and over and over. It's a matter of describing how hard he punches. If he can push a planet with his chest he can punch with the force of the weight of a planet.
You are basically saying 1 feat of Superman's contradicts the other.
3. If you see any blood it's seeping between your legs. Take that pill.
You were the one who is in a bad mood for some reason, and everyone else sees it.
Originally posted by Odekahn
1. I think you are just butt hurt because Superman isn't as weak as you would like him to be.2. Let's put this into terms that I'm hoping you will understand. Do you think that 5 pounds pressed against a pencil would be able to puncture a 5 pound water balloon? Would the pencil be able to perform as well as against a 5 pound steel weight? No, because of the different textures of the elements. Superman's skin bone and flesh are all stronger than any unknown element irl. It was nothing for him to benchpress the weight of the earth. He did it over and over and over. It's a matter of describing how hard he punches. If he can push a planet with his chest he can punch with the force of the weight of a planet.
You are basically saying 1 feat of Superman's contradicts the other.
3. If you see any blood it's seeping between your legs. Take that pill.
You were the one who is in a bad mood for some reason, and everyone else sees it.
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Originally posted by carver9
Their argument is all over the place. At one point they was talking about speed, then they brought up resistance, now they are talking about sueder strength (well, its one guy that is doing this).
We both know I wasn't asking you.
Originally posted by Nibedicus
You should just go ahead and do it. Trying to explain things to Odekhan is like trying to explain things to a 3 year old, I just don't think it's possible for anyone to get thru. Not since h1 and wolverinos have I ever met such close minded bullheadedness combined with a poor grasp of logic....
so bashing people is supposed to help?
Originally posted by -Pr-What is the big discussion about here, anyway?
Sorry, Pr. The bigger discussion is whether Superman could be considered a planet buster, and if he could hit Surfer with a planet busting attack. We have been going over different tactics on each side and whether or not those attacks would work. Carver calls it being all over the place, I like to think of it as discussion progression, lol.
Lol at the lowbaling
I don't have the comic in front of me but the narration says.... you know read it yourself
And then there is the statement of the doc. Is this a contradiction to the bench pressing feat? The narration starts with the engaging of H'el (Who is the narrator btw if it isn't the doc, then it isnt an contradiction at all), so it begins with the toppling mountain strength that can be felt in space and to the center of earth, which by itself is a contradiction, except if his blows intensify with each passing hit. Nothing unusual if you are hitting someone, you are anrgry at and have him pinned to the ground your blow get harder which each strike, emotions intensifying etc.
But even so. We have to consider, that H'el tanks those blows, and still they are felt even at the watchtower and that this is DC Earth.
Why people compare it to the WBH Dimension busting feat and the even far more amped Hulk/Betty couple beating the Dragon without destroying earth? Those two were angry and not holding back, still far more amped they did no damage to earth at all. Even the Planetbuster Hulk/Betty punch wouldn't do more damage if they wuld repeat in on earth, then maybe destroy some mountains, because you have to many comics with to many heroes who appear monthly on earth.
Those both Superman/Benchpressing - MountainToppling/spaceshockwaves
Hulk/BettyDimensionbusting - GiantHulk/Betty beating FFF, show both the same, even if you showed enough power previously that you have planetary strength and you exceed and use far more power again, you won't be able to do sh!t to earth. Simple.
You can use RL Logic, Comic Logic and fuse them together with common sense or you can hate and dismiss older feats when cntradicted by newer.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Lol at the lowbalingI don't have the comic in front of me but the narration says.... you know read it yourself
And then there is the statement of the doc. Is this a contradiction to the bench pressing feat? The narration starts with the engaging of H'el (Who is the narrator btw if it isn't the doc, then it isnt an contradiction at all), so it begins with the toppling mountain strength that can be felt in space and to the center of earth, which by itself is a contradiction, except if his blows intensify with each passing hit. Nothing unusual if you are hitting someone, you are anrgry at and have him pinned to the ground your blow get harder which each strike, emotions intensifying etc.
But even so. We have to consider, that H'el tanks those blows, and still they are felt even at the watchtower and that this is DC Earth.
Why people compare it to the WBH Dimension busting feat and the even far more amped Hulk/Betty couple beating the Dragon without destroying earth? Those two were angry and not holding back, still far more amped they did no damage to earth at all. Even the Planetbuster Hulk/Betty punch wouldn't do more damage if they wuld repeat in on earth, then maybe destroy some mountains, because you have to many comics with to many heroes who appear monthly on earth.
Those both Superman/Benchpressing - MountainToppling/spaceshockwaves
Hulk/BettyDimensionbusting - GiantHulk/Betty beating FFF, show both the same, even if you showed enough power previously that you have planetary strength and you exceed and use far more power again, you won't be able to do sh!t to earth. Simple.You can use RL Logic, Comic Logic and fuse them together with common sense or you can hate and dismiss older feats when cntradicted by newer.
Someone who gets it. Thank you!
If a person can bench a planet the size of earth for 5 days without replenishment, is mountain level punches his max?
It was also mentioned that superman was operating at higher levels while fighting than while benching the planet weight. It doesn't mean he was applying full planet benching force to his punches.
When I'm benching it's both physical and mental. Same way when I'm on a weight bag and punching I'm focused and ready physically. This is still greater levels than i would be while posting here.
I agree with OdG that those were mountain busting punches but i don't think that those punches were his max.
With that said, superman wins.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Lol at the lowbalingI don't have the comic in front of me but the narration says.... you know read it yourself
And then there is the statement of the doc. Is this a contradiction to the bench pressing feat? The narration starts with the engaging of H'el (Who is the narrator btw if it isn't the doc, then it isnt an contradiction at all), so it begins with the toppling mountain strength that can be felt in space and to the center of earth, which by itself is a contradiction, except if his blows intensify with each passing hit. Nothing unusual if you are hitting someone, you are anrgry at and have him pinned to the ground your blow get harder which each strike, emotions intensifying etc.
But even so. We have to consider, that H'el tanks those blows, and still they are felt even at the watchtower and that this is DC Earth.
Why people compare it to the WBH Dimension busting feat and the even far more amped Hulk/Betty couple beating the Dragon without destroying earth? Those two were angry and not holding back, still far more amped they did no damage to earth at all. Even the Planetbuster Hulk/Betty punch wouldn't do more damage if they wuld repeat in on earth, then maybe destroy some mountains, because you have to many comics with to many heroes who appear monthly on earth.
Those both Superman/Benchpressing - MountainToppling/spaceshockwaves
Hulk/BettyDimensionbusting - GiantHulk/Betty beating FFF, show both the same, even if you showed enough power previously that you have planetary strength and you exceed and use far more power again, you won't be able to do sh!t to earth. Simple.You can use RL Logic, Comic Logic and fuse them together with common sense or you can hate and dismiss older feats when cntradicted by newer.
The narration very specifically said that Superman was hitting H'el with punches that could topple mountains. If you want to assume that for some reason that this isn't the case and that each strike was getting stronger, you're going to need proof.
Earlier, I thought that Superman bench pressing the Earth could be evidence (Indirect and inconclusive but still evidence) but the fact that Superman was outperforming his previous levels during that scene, I think it's pretty clear that the writer doesn't think Superman being able to bench press a planet means he can destroy one. As illogical as that is.
Also, link those scans. Seriously, wtf is wrong with people that they do not understand how to utilize such a simple system. I wish you could ban people for this.
Originally posted by Diesldude
If a person can bench a planet the size of earth for 5 days without replenishment, is mountain level punches his max?It was also mentioned that superman was operating at higher levels while fighting than while benching the planet weight. It doesn't mean he was applying full planet benching force to his punches.
When I'm benching it's both physical and mental. Same way when I'm on a weight bag and punching I'm focused and ready physically. This is still greater levels than i would be while posting here.
I agree with OdG that those were mountain busting punches but i don't think that those punches were his max.
With that said, superman wins.
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