why wouldn't she be going all out on him in the first place? If Shan has this uber tk ability, why would she use it on only one occasion? Yes, he lost his potential due to his psychological hamperings 😉
Also, talk about cherrypicking, as when Lucas states that sidious is the strongest sith (or lucas-approved sources), you completely disregard them.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
why wouldn't she be going all out on him in the first place? If Shan has this uber tk ability, why would she use it on only one occasion?
Even if we are to assume that she used the lightsaber to fuel her power, she could repeat this act in any duel.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yes, he lost his potential due to his psychological hamperings 😉
Also, talk about cherrypicking, as when Lucas states that sidious is the strongest sith (or lucas-approved sources), you completely disregard them.
Claims about strongest Sith are in EU sources. However, dark side practitioners are not necessarily Sith. Star Wars isn't so black and white in its concepts now; it has many grey shades.
Vader is more machine then a man during OT period. It is obvious that he is limited in the use of the Force in this condition.
So she's NEVER had ample opportunity to unleash a force blast of her own power, ever? She never repeated the act against baras, or anyone else, for that matter
perhaps you're correct, however being eight tenths of the most powerful sith lord in history (I will not argue with you on this point) is vastly impressive, and quite possibly a higher claim than satele has.
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Satele isn't much explored in the ways of the Force so I cannot offer many examples.
I don't know what happened in the duel against Baras; I know that it ended in a stalemate though. Baras is also an immensely powerful Force-user by the way.
Also that 80% claim is a "maybe" as well.
And why should we assume that Satele cannot have potential matching that of Palpatine? Even Marek had such potential. I won't be surprised if the list of individuals in this regard is actually BIG.
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Damn! Largest tree in the world weighs over 6000 tons.
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Individuals such as Palpatine, Vitiate and Nihilus stand apart from majority due to their dark side talents. These individuals transformed into unnatural beings, who wouldn't rely on Midichlorian connectivity to function and use the Force.
Satele was immensely strong in the Force in natural form. It won't surprise me if she matched or exceeded the natural potential of Palpatine in the Force.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
A tree weighs over 100 tons?
The average weight of an oak tree is 100,000 kg, which translates into about 100 tons if my google-foo is to be believed.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Trees can weigh hundreds of tons, genius.The tree which Shan knocked out must be 100 feet tall and several feet wide on trunk.
100 feet tall????
Think again genius! It was 20 feet tall at maximum.
Originally posted by Nephthys
100 feet tall????Think again genius! It was 20 feet tall at maximum.
This tree is much more taller then 20 feet. In-fact, its full size isn't even properly shown since the video is focused on action. It is among the big trees on Aldeeran; look at the size of its truck (seems to be 4 feet wide at-least; the tree itself is many feet long).
Very large trees are a common sight in Aldeeran; SWTOR game also confirms this.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Yes, but that isn't the comparison we are making, legend. Vader was said by GL to have 8/10 of palpatine's strength by RotJ, by this time, palpatine was an "unnatural being", by your account.
GL referred to natural potential of his characters.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Check these images:-This tree is much more taller then 20 feet. In-fact, its full size isn't even properly shown since the video is focused on action. It is among the big trees on Aldeeran; look at the size of its truck (seems to be 4 feet wide at-least; the tree itself is many feet long).
Very large trees are a common sight in Aldeeran; SWTOR game also confirms this.
I didn't see the foliage when I first watched but its still nowhere near 100 feet tall. Half that maybe.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
still, being immortal doesnt really factor into one's power. Luke Skywalker is the most powerful Jedi/Sith in history, and he wasn't immortal.
Immortality represents most powerful condition a Force-user can knowingly acquire, if I am not mistaken.
When Palpatine began to siphon energies of the populace of Byss planet, he would have exceeded natural potential of any mortal at that moment. Vitiate did the same after his first major transformation; Nihilus possibly as well. This is how these individuals became capable of summoning/controlling most lethal applications of the dark side which could ravage entire planets.
I don't believe vitiate has ever shown planet-destroying capabilities as of yet (though it is entirely possible he may show such capabilities), therefore we cannot assume he does, despite Revan's statement. GL states that luke fulfilled Anakin's potential, which would make him twice as strong as sidious. Luke does have greater feats than vitiate AND palpatine, like manipulating black hole, contending with abeloth, defeating UnuThul, etc.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
I don't believe vitiate has ever shown planet-destroying capabilities as of yet (though it is entirely possible he may show such capabilities), therefore we cannot assume he does, despite Revan's statement.
*Keep in mind that Vitiate was even naturally supremely strong in the Force (blessed with extraordinarily high Midichlorian count most likely). So if his capacity as a practitioner of the Force vastly increased after his first major transformation, one can only imagine the possibilities for him during this condition.
As Sith Emperor, Vitiate was siphoning energies of countless beings to perform many actions simultaneously with his Force abilities on galactic scale. He even (possibly) permanently altered the environment of Dromund Kaas. On top of this, Vitiate is legitimately above Nihilus.
Revan, Meetra and Scourge reached consensus on the possibility of Vitiate being capable of ravaging entire worlds with his own power. They concluded that Vitiate was hesitant to do so because this would dampen his ultimate plan and expose his true nature.
Keep in mind that Vitiate's ultimate plan involved his transformation to omnipotent entity with "galaxy-shattering" power. While dark side power of such proportions would be summoned with aid of his minions, he would be the one to eventually control and absorb it to complete his final major transformation.
I think that Vitiate came close to destroying Voss in Jedi Knight's story, if I am not mistaken.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
GL states that luke fulfilled Anakin's potential, which would make him twice as strong as sidious.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Luke does have greater feats than vitiate AND palpatine, like manipulating black hole, contending with abeloth, defeating UnuThul, etc.
2) Luke couldn't hope to defeat Abeloth on his own. He enlisted help of many individuals to succeed in this task.
3) I don't get the hype behind UnuThul; he is stated to be "not an ordinary Force-user" but same is true for many other powerful Force-users. UnuThul have some impressive Force abilities but he wasn't powerful enough to make Luke struggle like several other Force-users did.
I actually have a different theory about draining, inspired by (and probably first debunked by) the Merchant. Draining a planet does not make you more powerful in itself, rather it gives you a far longer life span to do so. Vastly increasing his capacity as a dark side practioner = having more time to learn the secrets of the dark side. Same with sidious, it allowed his life span to be furthered. Nihilus, on the other hand, was a slave to hunger, not necessarily making him more powerful, just in constant need of things to drain so he can survive. His "ultimate plan" is irrelevant, as it was never realized. anyways, Luke and Krayt defeated abeloth together from beyond shadows. also, UnuThul's attempt to dominate Luke's mind was one of the most powerful in the mythos, maybe even surpassing vitiate's. Why? because in vitiate's case, mind dominating 8000 sith lords is vastly impressive, however, these sith were desperate and willing, plus they weren't actively imposing their wills on vitiate. Luke, on the other hand, was resisting UnuThul, whom was drawing on the power of the entire colony, and actively imposing his will on Luke. This suggests insane willpower on Luke's part.
Originally posted by Nephthys
While it is true that some/much of the energy Vitiate drained from Nathema and those 8000 Sith Lords went into prolonging his life indefinitely, its also stated to have increased his power.
Where is this stated? because the "vastly increased his capacity" crap I just explained.