Mandarin(w/o Rings) Vs Batman(w/o Gadgets)

Most comic master martial artists can't casually karate chop foot-thick steel doors in half:

Mandarin isn't a character who has a handful of feats of knocking the wind out of Aquaman, Grundy and Wonder Woman. He's fought Iron Man with his martial arts pretty much every single time... maybe in all but 1-2 of their fights. He's kicked the sh1t out of Iron Man straight up with his fists, parried and blocked same, and even broken his arms with martial arts holds:

When Batman regularly engages a foe like Iron Man from the 60s, 70s, 80, 90s, 00s, all the way through to modern times with H2H combat, and essentially dominates that foe nearly every single time with it, then a comparison can be made.

Mandarin was Temugin before there was a Temugin and he completely outclasses Batman.

wtf that karate chop looks straight up superhuman

^ Which is basically my point.

He also had some embarrassing showings, too... but of course so did the Batman.

DCnU happened, so Bats won't last even a single panel.

Originally posted by ODG
Most comic master martial artists can't casually karate chop foot-thick steel doors in half:

Mandarin isn't a character who has a handful of feats of knocking the wind out of Aquaman, Grundy and Wonder Woman. He's fought Iron Man with his martial arts pretty much every single time... maybe in all but 1-2 of their fights. He's kicked the sh1t out of Iron Man straight up with his fists, parried and blocked same, and even broken his arms with martial arts holds:

When Batman regularly engages a foe like Iron Man from the 60s, 70s, 80, 90s, 00s, all the way through to modern times with H2H combat, and essentially dominates that foe nearly every single time with it, then a comparison can be made.

Mandarin was Temugin before there was a Temugin and he completely outclasses Batman.

First he had still his rings in the first scan and in the second, what glove is this?

Anyway, he isn't good enough, not fast enough to even tag Batman. ^^

Mandarin destroys Batman.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Mandarin destroys Batman.

No he doesn't, the scans above are not what they seem to be., pls post the whole fight against Iron man. IIRC mandarin was amped by his rings or something like that.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No he doesn't, the scans above are not what they seem to be., pls post the whole fight against Iron man. IIRC mandarin was amped by his rings or something like that.

Rings don't amp Mandarin's striking power. It certainly wasn't the case in the scan presented, as I read it.

Can't comment on the modern one since I haven't read Extremis story with Mandy.

Mandarin's rings have never been stated to amp him, as far as I can recall.

Ok found it in the IM respect thread, thanks to Galan007

Manadarin had the rings fused to his spine and this isn't his normal hand but tech from tony. So yes he was amped and got still owned hard.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tony [in the [b]Silver Centurion Armor] vs. Mandarin:

As you can see, the Silver Centurion armor is more powerful than some may have thought. [/B]

I know there are some bastiches who just show one scan from a whole fight, without telling the folks the circumstances of the fight and the outcome, just to mislead them and prove something which isn't true. But this is just sad. Lying won't give the mandarin the win.

Where was he amped exactly? He had "medical prosthetic" hands because his real hands were gone.

^ And two fingers of that bionic hand were burned off.

Still it wasn't his hand. And he could shoot beams from his hand, the rings were one with him, it's obviously he couldn't have done a lot of things without them and the prothesis. This feat, if it's a feat at all, is not under mandarins natural and own powers. simple.

I'm not really sure what you're saying. Looks like gibberish. Everything he did was perfectly natural to him and the rings.

What would a medical prosthetic hand have to offer him? Do you think Tony Stark sells medical prosthetics that grant superhuman powers to random people? And regardless, his striking power and durability have always been enormous.

Sure, I know why you would say this, he shoot beams from his hands and the rings were fused to his body, once tony ripped them out the fight turned onesided.

Anyway, more impressive, Batman owns an mind controlled Solomon Grundy

He was shooting beams out of his hands because of the rings fused to his spine. It does not lessen the striking / damage soak feats in any way.

Tony turned the fight around when he ripped some rings out of the Mandarin's spine, blasted him with said rings + repulsor + unibeam, launching him into a steel vat, which still didn't knock him out. That much is true.

Mandarin is faster, smarter and more skilled than Grundy. He is fast enough to effortlessly dodge bullets after being chained up for YEARS without food and water, due to his chi mastery.

Mandarin had the rings attached to his spine in some of those examples.

And Tony fought him in an old armor. I remember Tony going Mantis Style and being impressed.

Regardless........Tony is nowhere near Bruce in skill.

Originally posted by thanos-prime
Tony turned the fight around when he ripped some rings out of the Mandarin's spine, blasted him with said rings + repulsor + unibeam, launching him into a steel vat, which still didn't knock him out. That much is true.

Mandarin is faster, smarter and more skilled than Grundy. He is fast enough to effortlessly dodge bullets after being chained up for YEARS without food and water, due to his chi mastery.

Batman took punches from superstrength beings and even beat Grundy who can go toe to toe with Superman. Batman is much more skilled then Mandarin, faster, smarter and by far more intelligent. He beats the shit out of a Mandarin w/wo rings.

Oh, I know. Batman has taken punches from Superman which means nothing less than that can even hurt him.