Thor vs Goku

One of my favorites moves/stunts/strats in DBZ has got to be Goku's IT kamehameha.

Cell's reaction made it fantastic.

Originally posted by battlemaster161
I know but GK said thor has hurt skyfathers without his hammer and what is is strength and speed feats without his hammer seeing how it incredibly boost his abilities.

The godblast has also cripped a high-level skyfather character before.
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Mjolnir/ThorMjolnir181-Godblastv212.jpg

Thor's only disadantage against Goku is his speed. He is stronger, more durable, better damage soak, as good a fighter, has mjolnir to block Gokus best shots and has a superior Blast or at least the equal of Gokus best. Goku will go down, hard.

He does not have mjolnir for this fight.

I don't believe Thor is as good a fighter as Goku.

Thor has tons more fighting experience than Goku, he has more years of experience than Goku's age. Goku's speed doesn't mean anything to someone who can keep up with Silver Surfer.

He does have all those years of fighting experience. but he tends to fight like a brute. Which is why I don't think he is anywhere near Goku's equal. At least not his normal holding back portrayal.

This is probably a stupid question, but is it actually evident that Thor suppresses his power, or is it simply stated?

If it's merely a statement, I see no reason to believe it. I find problems like this with characters like Akuma.

Yes he does. Thor has a wealthy resume of hurting beings Goku can only dream of.

THAT I get. Unrelated to the thread, what legitimately confirms Thor "pulling his punches"? I'm not arguing this isn't the case. I just want to know.

Couple of statements. Among them one he made in avengers manual about not being able to beat someone in time for being use to holding back in the human world for so long.

I understand that this is a comic book fan dominated forum, but this wank on KMC is just retarded. This is ridiculous; hammerless Thor beating SSJG Goku? Goku stomps. Part 1 DB characters' blasts were moving at light speed (see the moon busting feats. It's been done multiple times and referenced in data books as well)

So fck is Thor going to do vs SSG Goku? Lightning when Goku can tank planet busters early on in DBZ? The speed difference is massively in favor of Goku, the fighting ability difference is massively in favor of Goku, and the power output difference is also massively in favor for Goku.

Just think about it this way. Where would you put Iron Man in DBZ? Raditz level? Nappa level? Saiyan Saga Vegeta level (who was able to shake the planet by just powering up and was also capable of destroying the earth with a single blast?) And what's the difference between Iron Man and Thor? Thor isn't even 10 times as powerful as Iron Man going by most sources. So now what's the difference between Nappa/Raditz and SSJG Goku? Hell, don't even go that far. What's the power difference between Nappa/Raditz and first form Frieza?

The speed difference is even more massive than the power output difference.

Characters with power levels within the 200 range were able to catch machine gun bullets.

That's at least a couple of hundred times faster than sound.

Same guy with a very, very low powerlevel destroying the moon with a blast in a very short interval.

Done again by another character who is a bit stronger than Roshi.

Don't like those? Think they're inconsistent/outliers?

Here is Cell:

12,000km
http://space-facts.com/wp-content/uploads/mars-size.png
Goku’s IT lagtime being:
0.01 of a second (at the minimum) = rounded to roughly mach 2,900,000 from mach 2,941,176. This makes Cell’s KHH FTL, meaning that Cell Games Goku had FTL reaction/combat speed.

The difference between this Goku and SSJG Goku is literally incomprehensible.

So there is absolutely no way Thor can win here.

Pretty sure dbz moon isn't EXACTLY like ours...

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Pretty sure dbz moon isn't EXACTLY like ours...

Pretty damn sure it was, until Kami had to recreate it. And even then, it was never said to be in any way different.

But forget about that and answer this please:

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Just think about it this way. Where would you put Iron Man in DBZ? Raditz level? Nappa level? Saiyan Saga Vegeta level (who was able to shake the planet by just powering up and was also capable of destroying the earth with a single blast?) And what's the difference between Iron Man and Thor? Thor isn't even 10 times as powerful as Iron Man going by most sources. So now what's the difference between Nappa/Raditz and SSJG Goku? Hell, don't even go that far. What's the power difference between Nappa/Raditz and first form Frieza?

Ki beams are lightspeed and normal humans can track the beams. Makes sense.

Lol'd at catching machine gun bullets being "at least a couple of hundred times faster than sound"

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Pretty sure dbz moon isn't EXACTLY like ours...

What's the difference then? uhuh It could be smaller, it could be bigger. Who knows? It would just be an uneducated assumption either way. Besides, IT'S A F**KING MOON. It's an impressive feat regardless.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Ki beams are lightspeed and normal humans can track the beams. Makes sense.

Lol'd at catching machine gun bullets being "at least a couple of hundred times faster than sound"

We're agreed here. The only lightspeed/FTL showing I can recall is IT. Although, I'm not fully updated as it stands. Then again, that may all just be for the viewer's sake.

Actually, bullet timing is said to be a roughly supersonic feat, and he referred Roshi as being FTS, not the bullets.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Ki beams are lightspeed and normal humans can track the beams. Makes sense.

Lol'd at catching machine gun bullets being "at least a couple of hundred times faster than sound"

Nice denial there. At that point, these guys were fighting faster than the human eye could see. And exactly based on what did the humans see that Roshi blast?

There was just a huge flash of light that blinded everybody for a second. Nobody even realized that the moon was destroyed and nobody saw the energy beam travel towards the moon until moments later.

I like how you're being nit picky about DB feats, but at the same time you would bring up once-in-a-lifetime Thor showings to make him seem less pathetic compared to DBZ characters. Less than shit-tiers in DB could casually destroy planets with power levels of 18,000. Their top-tier characters like Buu and Gotenks were breaking dimensions by just powering up and screaming.

Fact of the matter is, that if Nappa or saiyan saga Vegeta were on Marvel earth, they'd be considered to be HUGE threats and they'd be wrecking most Avengers rosters. Buu level dudes, well there would be a huge arc about that stuff purely because of how powerful and destructive Buu is. My Iron Man analogy works perfectly.

>SSJG Goku loses to hammerless Thor.
Not biased at all there buddy. Rofl

There's no point in DBZ canon where anyone or anything moves ftl, lol. It's been dragged out endlessly all over the internet. Furthermore DBZ characters aren't all that durable, and every time someone says 'power level' their argument is basically already defeating itself.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There's no point in DBZ canon where anyone or anything moves ftl, lol.

What does that even mean? Why would the canon not make sense if the characters could fight at FTL? It's not like Dragon Ball was a masterpiece without plotholes.

Furthermore DBZ characters aren't all that durable, and every time someone says 'power level' their argument is basically already defeating itself.

Answer this too please.

Just think about it this way. Where would you put Iron Man in DBZ? Raditz level? Nappa level? Saiyan Saga Vegeta level (who was able to shake the planet by just powering up and was also capable of destroying the earth with a single blast?) And what's the difference between Iron Man and Thor? Thor isn't even 10 times as powerful as Iron Man going by most sources. So now what's the difference between Nappa/Raditz and SSJG Goku? Hell, don't even go that far. What's the power difference between Nappa/Raditz and first form Frieza?