Originally posted by TheTyrant
Are you serious? Part 1 characters in DB were solid class 100s and had high end supersonic to hypersonic combat speeds. Real..
Hell, it took three minutes into the Bills v.s. Goku fight for anything even arguably city busting to happen. 😬
DBZ characters have very powerful ki projection and such, but that's the only thing that keeps them afloat against most other herald level characters.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteFirst goku was on supreme kais planet which is 10x gravity, also if your putting him in base form could blow up planets not many low heralds hell some mid heralds cant claim that. Also that was a pre majin buu fight you really think he was that strong throughout the entire saga. Goku's base forms rapes all high metas and low heralds.
This is why 40 tons is heavy for base Goku.
This is why he trained in 100x gravity to in the Frieza saga.
This is why 300x gravity training was considered hardcore for Vegeta.
This is why Piccolo can jab his fingers right into their necks, and why being smashed through rocks breaks their ribs and the like.Hell, it took three minutes into the Bills v.s. Goku fight for anything even arguably city busting to happen. 😬
DBZ characters have very powerful ki projection and such, but that's the only thing that keeps them afloat against most other herald level characters.
1. Shadowboxing =/= lifting. Try it for yourself if you don't believe me. Plus, Goku made it look easy af when he went SSJ.
2. That's different than lifting or punching strength. There was constant pressure on their body and they were working out under those conditions. Even if we say they're the same thing, Goku himself weighed at about 6 tons at 100 times gravity. Using Kai-Ken, Goku is able to multiply his stats by like 20. SSJ would increase it by 50. 50x6 = 300. This is at the BARE minimum since Goku got way stronger while on Namek than he was after his spaceship training. And we all know that SSJ 2 Goku would flick inexperienced SSJ 1 Goku out of existence, so no matter how you want to look at it, Goku is WELL over class 100.
3. Piccolo is also class 100 :/
And them going through the rocks isn't what's smashing their ribs, rather it's the punches and kicks unless you can prove this.
4. Really? It's pretty clear that they can control how much they destroy with their ki projections. Nappa with two fingers destroyed a huge city and Vegeta with power level of 18,000 could shake the planet with just powering up. Nice downplaying again.
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Anyway, they punch and kick people people through mountains and islands. Part 1 Goku was able to lift giant Piccolo who about/well over 100 tons.
They've been class 100 before Raditz even showed up.
Originally posted by I am Vegeta
First goku was on supreme kais planet which is 10x gravity, also if your putting him in base form could blow up planets not many low heralds hell some mid heralds cant claim that. Also that was a pre majin buu fight you really think he was that strong throughout the entire saga. Goku's base forms rapes all high metas and low heralds.
Goku's base form by end of series was way stronger than Frieza. Lmao at metas or low heralds lasting more than a millisecond against him.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Anyway, they punch and kick people people through mountains and islands. Part 1 Goku was able to lift giant Piccolo who about/well over 100 tons.They've been class 100 before Raditz even showed up.
Goku's base form by end of series was way stronger than Frieza. Lmao at metas or low heralds lasting more than a millisecond against him.
Why is he 100 tons now? He wasn't that huge.
Originally posted by TheTyrantCalm down.
Frieza tanked destruction of a planet on the brink of death.>DBZ characters have shit durability
>Meta level Goku, as in Iron Fist or Wolverine will be hurting him.I can't
Goku is low to mid herald due to his impressive energy projection powers.
Also, Wolverine would certainly hurt him. Wolverine can hurt characters far above his weight class because his claws are powered by plot itself.
Originally posted by NemeBroin base form maybe mid but kratos is a high low herald and base goku could beat him
Calm down.Goku is low to mid herald due to his impressive energy projection powers.
Also, Wolverine would certainly hurt him. Wolverine can hurt characters far above his weight class because his claws are powered by plot itself.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Yet there are people clearly perceiving the blasts...well that was easy.
Captain America has reacted to Thor's lightning, so Thor's magical lightning is shit since a peak human can react to it. There's also been plenty of other instances where regular humans have seen and reacted to stuff that they shouldn't have been able to in comics. I'm sure you already knew that, so why are you even bringing this stuff up?
Originally posted by TheTyrantHulk and wolverine have also dodged his lightning
Captain America has reacted to Thor's lightning, so Thor's magical lightning is shit since a peak human can react to it. There's also been plenty of other instances where regular humans have seen and reacted to stuff that they shouldn't have been able to in comics. I'm sure you already knew that, so why are you even bringing this stuff up?
Originally posted by TheTyrantHumans reacting to lightspeed? And the fact that you would cite a guy clad in jobber armour is notable, and other CIS moments. On the other hand, there is far more against light speed blasts with nothing solid for.
Captain America has reacted to Thor's lightning, so Thor's magical lightning is shit since a peak human can react to it. There's also been plenty of other instances where regular humans have seen and reacted to stuff that they shouldn't have been able to in comics. I'm sure you already knew that, so why are you even bringing this stuff up?
Originally posted by TheTyrantI didn't know that nameless mooks had the plot armour of Wolverine or cap. haermm
Captain America has reacted to Thor's lightning, so Thor's magical lightning is shit since a peak human can react to it. There's also been plenty of other instances where regular humans have seen and reacted to stuff that they shouldn't have been able to in comics. I'm sure you already knew that, so why are you even bringing this stuff up?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Humans reacting to lightspeed? And the fact that you would cite a guy clad in jobber armour is notable, and other CIS moments. On the other hand, there is far more against light speed blasts with nothing solid for.
I didn't specifically say lightspeed. But normal humans, and by this I don't mean characters like Cap or Batman, just plain citizens, have reacted to stuff that normal humans in the real world would never be able to.
For instance, regular people on DC earth reacted to Superman blitzing Luthor all the way from the moon to earth. Can't find the scan atm, but it was pretty recent so I'm sure somebody at the comic book forums can tell you all about it. There are plenty of instances out there of stuff like that. I can find it, but it's gonna take some time.
Same. I'm pretty sure, they've both outright failed to dodge his lighting.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Captain America has reacted to Thor's lightning, so Thor's magical lightning is shit since a peak human can react to it. There's also been plenty of other instances where regular humans have seen and reacted to stuff that they shouldn't have been able to in comics. I'm sure you already knew that, so why are you even bringing this stuff up?
This is not really reaction:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ControlsLightingDestroyStunBalls1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ControlsLightingDestroyStunBalls2.jpg
Fyi, Captain America has reacted to practically ever form of energy blast sent his way. If Goku was to blast him with energy, you can bet your house that he'd put his shield up in time.
