Thor vs Goku

What does that even mean? Why would the canon not make sense if the characters could fight at FTL? It's not like Dragon Ball was a masterpiece without plotholes.

What does that even mean? Based on what aren't they durable? Based on Frieza, while out of energy and on the brink of death, surviving the explosion of a planet point blank?

I see no real point in speculating about where Iron Man would be.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It means what I said, at no point in DBZ does anyone move FTL.

You mean the planet that took time to explode and did not do so until he was in space? I didn't say they're not more durable than humans, but they're not High Herald durable.

I see no real point in speculating about where Iron Man would be.

I've shown canon evidence from the manga, all you've done is say that I'm wrong without anything to back up your claims of DBZ characters being slow.

Frieza never left Namek before it exploded and the time it took for it to explode has nothing to do with anything, since Frieza was already out of energy and there were no ships left.) He was left there and the planet exploded in his face while he was stranded. There was literally no indication that he left the planet in time.

>Not durable. Let's see Thor do that while cut in half and out of energy.

Iron Man has everything to do with this, since it's a comparison I'm making. It makes no sense that you guys are putting top-tier DBZ characters at low-herald/mid-herald levels when you know deep down that Iron Man would get shat on by Saiyan Saga Vegeta.

Slow? No. FTL? No. None of your scans showcase FTL movement.

The time it took shows that it was not as violent an explosion as it could've been.

Trouble is cutting Thor in half.

It's really not a perfect analogy. DBZ characters have HH energy projection, and ki resistance, sure. But most of their other stats are low-herald or even high meta level.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Slow? No. FTL? No. None of your scans showcase FTL movement.

How? Even ignoring the moon busting, I used the bare minimum reaction speed for Goku when Cell used his Kamehameha wave, and you still get a FTL value. That blast traveled about twice as much as the earth's diameter in a very short time period.

The time it took shows that it was not as violent an explosion as it could've been.

A planet blew up right in his face. I don't know how that's not a really good durability feat. It's not like the average high herald would casually walk away from that.

I don't think I need to explain the difference between SSJG Goku and Frieza when experienced SSJ1 Goku's finger > Trunks' sword >>> Frieza.

It's really not a perfect analogy. DBZ characters have HH energy projection, and ki resistance, sure. But most of their other stats are low-herald or even high meta level.

What stats do they lack? Combat speed? Reflexes? Strength? Durability?

What stats do they lack? Combat speed? Reflexes? Strength? Durability?

Yes.

Which Thor? Movie Thor/TRK Thor/Thorforce Thor etc

Originally posted by TheTyrant
A machine gun bullet travels at roughly mach 3/mach 4. Roshi caught at least 9 bullets in a short interval. Maybe not a couple of hundred times, but at least tens of times faster than sound.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Nice denial there. At that point, these guys were fighting faster than the human eye could see. And exactly based on what did the humans see that Roshi blast?

The rest was just a dull rant.

Roshi would barely have to move his hands any distance to catch each bullet. It is simply a matter of his hands being there to intercept the separate bullets when they arrive, and they don't all arrive at the same time nor is the spread that significant.

Mach 200? Lolno. Mach 10+? A little more reasonable but still no, at least, not in terms of that feat.

The Mercenary Tao pillar interception feat is better.

Anyway, there is no time frame for that Cell Saga blast, so lol at this FTL bullshit.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Roshi would barely have to move his hands any distance to catch each bullet. It is simply a matter of his hands being there to intercept the separate bullets when they arrive, and they don't all arrive at the same time nor is the spread that significant.

Mach 200? Lolno. Mach 10+? A little more reasonable but still no, at least, not in terms of that feat.

The Mercenary Tao pillar interception feat is better.

Anyway, there is no time frame for that Cell Saga blast, so lol at this FTL bullshit.

The time frame is very short. Or are you going to argue that these guys were standing around and doing nothing for a good second or so? 'Cause the blast reached that distance before we saw the characters' reactions, meaning that it reached that distance before the characters' reactions. And these guys are very fast in combat and reaction speed in case you forgot.

Originally posted by BloodRain
That does not make it hundreds of times faster than sound.. A 1,000m/s 400rpm gun would make him barely above Ma3.

Discussed with Carver, its happened a few times. Rohis's self-projectiling and Buu's extinction blast come to mind.

The rest was just a dull rant.

Buu casually sent out 6 billion blasts that traveled across the earth and killed 6 billion people in a very short time interval. The people were reacting and running around due to others dying before them since not everybody was hit at the same time. You can see some people going about their daily activities while being hit and some guy in the left corner running away.
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But nice job at being super picky when I've brought quantifiable proof that DB characters' energy blasts were around light speed very early on in the manga. Y'all are acting as if Thor does the shit you're posting in this thread on a regular basis so you can disregard what I've posted. If that's how it is, then you can't use any of Thor's high-end showings because they don't make sense with how Thor performs on average either. Fact is that he's slow as a turtle on the average compared to mid-tier Dragon Ball characters and only can be [relatively] fast when the plot requires the author to make him fast (and these aren't in combat anyway. Good luck finding 3 instances of LS/FTL combat speed for Thor), which occurs about once every 5 or so years. Basically those once-in-a-couple-of-years showings are outliers and high-end feats too if you guys don't want to consider the stuff I've posted.

Example 1: Hulk was hurt by Captain America, so Hulk's durability really isn't that good. *I think this is Ultimate, but same thing applies since the huge strength difference*
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Example 2: Captain America, a peak human, reacts to Thor's lightning.
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So either Thor's lightning is super slow, or a peak human was able to somehow react to something that's on average about mach 300.

Those were just from top of my head. Batman has tons of similar stuff and so have most street levelers in Marvel and DC. Hell, just recently in a DCnU comic, Superman took Luthor down to earth from the moon in a split second and the regular humans were able to react to them coming towards them.

@Loltimespan as if the DB characters would stand there for 5 seconds and do nothing but be confused and stare in middle of a fight.

But this won't ever go anywhere since you all hate Dragon Ball to this extent.

since you all hate Dragon Ball to this extent.

I havent seen the movie yet but apparently Whis was able to travel across the entire universe and knock out Bills for a couple of years with a casual chop. And SSJG Goku is apparently on par with those guys.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
The time frame is very short.

It's very very short. Much less than a second. Probably in the nanosecond range via common sense and reading the manga.

Also, before I forget, during the 21st Budokai I believe, Krillin and Roshi had a little fight in 0.2 seconds.

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How fast would that be, honestly?

*looks at thread*

lolTyrant. Typical DBZ fantard, using low showings for the Marvel DC chars, but allowing any feat/claim for DBZ

Good luck finding 3 instances of LS/FTL combat speed for Thor)

lolcombatspeedfallacy

I never used a low showing to make Thor look weak though. People are disregarding canonical feats for DBZ characters because "they don't make sense" and yet are using some high-end feats to argue for Thor. Tell me how that makes sense and isn't absolutely ridiculous.

It's not a fallacy. Would Usain Bolt be able to blitz prime Mike Tyson? Same shit applies.

lol

Originally posted by ScreamPaste

It's really not a perfect analogy. DBZ characters have HH energy projection, and ki resistance, sure. But most of their other stats are low-herald or even high meta level.

Not because of his physicality. He'd own them with his Ki blasts and techniques.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Not because of his physicality. He'd own them with his Ki blasts and techniques.

Are you serious? Part 1 characters in DB were solid class 100s and had high end supersonic to hypersonic combat speeds. Real..