1 and 2- pretty close. Their types of durability are a bit different- Superman's harder to hurt in the first place but WW has faster recovery and is good at ignoring major wounds like impalement.
3- Superman, clearly.
(Unless you count bracers, in which case, as Mshinu)
Official in-universe word from Checkmate is they're in the same tier.
Originally posted by Q99
WW has faster recovery and is good at ignoring major wounds like impalement.
Evidence? I haven't seen any feats of recovery from Diana to match Clark's healing factor.
Also, some evidence of Wonder Woman ignoring major injuries would be nice as I've seen Wonder Woman's life in serious risk from a gun shot wound to the stomach. Medusa cut her side at one point in their fight and Diana survived but still looked like she was seriously hurting IIRC. During Morrison's run she even ran the risk of having a heartache and was in bad shape from that simulation fight. She obviously has endurance beyond any normal human but proportionally speaking but Superman does too. I'm sure you can dig up some scans or instances.
Also, completely disagreed on 1 and 2 being close. Imho, that is outright ridiculous and silly based on direct evidence and individual feats. I'm not saying Diana is weak by any means but Clark can crush her bones by squeezing too tight and so on.
No bracers obviously.
Originally posted by JBL
Bait thread. If someone ranks WW higher than superman, you will take over any debate with low showings of WW and the highest you can find for superman. Why create this type of thread when we know who you will defend to the end? Let me train you how to make superman shine the right way.
Originally posted by Q99
1 and 2- pretty close. Their types of durability are a bit different- Superman's harder to hurt in the first place but WW has faster recovery and is good at ignoring major wounds like impalement.3- Superman, clearly.
(Unless you count bracers, in which case, as Mshinu)
Official in-universe word from Checkmate is they're in the same tier.
Also should I bring her actual side by side comparison in durability to him? Here is a sample.
Also look at how she ignores impalement
Several days later and after purple ray healing
Originally posted by abhilegend
No bracers obviously.I will only bring up side by side comparison.
Haha, seriously? How is wonder woman faster in recovery? Crucifer nearly killed her with a sword and an imperiex probe did the same and she needed purple ray to heal her. I'm not sure I've seen any healing feat from her.Also should I bring her actual side by side comparison in durability to him? Here is a sample.
Counterpoint: In JLA: Obsidian Age, Superman took longer than WW to recover after they were brought back to life.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Did he? They were all weakened.
They were, and maybe the writer wanted to focus on Superman exclusively, but he was standing there, saying words to the effect of 'give me a minute, the sun is strong today'.
Whereas WW didn't have any such statement. Like I said, maybe the writer was deliberately focussing on Supes unfairly.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They were, and maybe the writer wanted to focus on Superman exclusively, but he was standing there, saying words to the effect of 'give me a minute, the sun is strong today'.Whereas WW didn't have any such statement. Like I said, maybe the writer was deliberately focussing on Supes unfairly.
Was he stronger than her at that level? Its been a while, I'll dig them out when I get home....
Way I see it, the recovery rate only seems higher for Diana, because her 'tank', as it were, is smaller than Superman's.
As for this thread,
Originally posted by Mshinu
Blunt: Wondy because of bracers
Energy: Superman
Piercing: Wondy because of bracers
Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Was he stronger than her at that level? Its been a while, I'll dig them out when I get home....Way I see it, the recovery rate only seems higher for Diana, because her 'tank', as it were, is smaller than Superman's.
As for this thread,
Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.
Or that she doesn't need to store energy to get at a point.
Originally posted by Mshinu
Wondy blocking Destruction multiplied to the Infinite Power. 😛
Originally posted by JBL
Bait thread. If someone ranks WW higher than superman, you will take over any debate with low showings of WW and the highest you can find for superman. Why create this type of thread when we know who you will defend to the end? Let me train you how to make superman shine the right way.
I like this was quoted, acknowledged and then ignored a few spaces down in the same post.
Haha, seriously? How is wonder woman faster in recovery? Crucifer nearly killed her with a sword and an imperiex probe did the same and she needed purple ray to heal her. I'm not sure I've seen any healing feat from her.
Well, obviously being impaled through the middle of the chest is still going to do some major damage, even for Demeter's blessing (the source of her healing factor)!
It's not Wolverine-level healing mind you (or maybe, 80s Wolverine level), but the gift of Demeter means she has a history of taking fairly major injury and then being in near-top shape just a little while later. Eyes of the Gorgon, getting impaled through the side didn't require breaking out the purple ray.
Like the Sacrifice storyline, about an hour later she was facing high-level foes again and was having fun while doing so, she wasn't even tired.
Way back in the George Perez run, her healing was emphasized much more than invuln (during that point she was lower-powered), and one of the things that made Cheetah scary was cuts from her wouldn't close fast.
Originally posted by comicfan11
Uhhh I'd also like to know how is WW faster in recovery?
Why are people acting as if she has a healing factor?Even if that's the case (seriously does anyone have any examples of WW's recoveries?) Supes and his yellow sunlight absorbing physiology is faster.
Supes' yellow sunlight lets him replenish energy if he's depleted, but not heal wounds as well. Like, if you do break his arm, it'll take awhile to heal on it's own. Faster than a human to be sure (and faster still if he can get the fortress robots to work on it), but WW's would be better the next day.
Gail's run- She just stood there and took a beating from a GL until she was black and blue... and a few minutes later it was almost gone.
And the Rise of the Olympian storyline. Let me walk you through the events that take place during just part of a single day:
Start out by being beaten within an inch of her life by Genocide, obviously badly hurt.
A bit later, after Genocide trashes the JLA, go and fight her again (with friends), forcing a retreat.
Then take on and take down Cheetah's chapter of the Society of Supervillains, trashing a few. Then face Cheetah. Get clawed up before taking her down (while complaining about being tired).
Then fight Achilles (a foe with the literal heart of a god meant to be her replacement), and win. Then stop a nuke.
Then fight Genocide again, seems to fight at full power, with no sign of injury hindering her, and win.
Then return home, fight some giant sea monsters, and kill Ares.
She gets multiple major wounds at several points in her day, and still faces multiple herald foes at the end, including one who's already proven herself capable of beating WW, and yet the breaks in between bring her back up to a level where she's at full strength and speed.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Fixed. By energy, I mean large fields that can bypass the bracers.
When crossed, they make a broader force field. Nukes and such are no prob for her.
