Also, exactly how much energy does the star forge really give malak? I thought he had to actually use his own power to control it, and that most of the power was directed towards the creation of the fleet. this meaning that he was only really being replenished from the jedi masters, which revan freed. Again, we don't actually know how much fodder revan killed, which companions he brought with him, how many companions he brought with him, etc.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And I see nothing indicating that he would. Nothing he's done puts him on that level. The Exile and Scourge are incredibly power and skilled combatants. What makes you think Malak could own them both simultaneously?
Giving the person who casually owned her hell.
The Exile has actual feats backing her up for one thing. She solod an entire Sith academy on a powerful DS nexus and with the MSG, then beat Sion 5+ times and Kreia twice. She has an incredibly fast learning rate and is proficient in 4+ forms plus battle precognition. She becomes a superior telepath to Kreia in a single training session.
Prove she didn't just sneak through the academy. She only beat Kreia once. It was one battle Kreia didn't get healed. Okay so she's a prodigy. Big deal Malak was the 2nd most promising knight of the era.
Malak? He has nothing. Lightsaber combat? He's got ****all. The Exile has better lightsaber feats than him, at least we know about her skills and her learning rate suggests huge skill. The Force? The Exile already beat a more powerful person than Malak in the form of Kreia. Whats Malak gonna do that Kreia couldn't?
Defeat Darth Nyriss for one.
She's just gotten the piss beaten out of her by Revan (three times iirc). Theres nothing indicating she would be able to boost Revan and the fleet at the same time in her condition.
You are grasping a straws here.
When someone uses Battle Meditation it affects everyone on the battlefield. Show me one time when BM has been used where it boosted an entire fleet/army but didn't boost one or two individuals.
Kenobi and Skywalker barely fought on the Invisible Hand, while Malak sends legions of Sith and Star Forge droids to beat Revan. Then he has to beat Bastila 3 times, who mentions Revan's tired btw:2.20
>Character statements are hardly credible evidence, especially from Bastilla who is pitifully trying to use Dun Moch.
>You keep citing Revan's exhaustion when he fought Malak when its mentioned in no sources but you fail to mention that Revan was still recovering from being drugged and a sensory overload.
Then he has to fight that room of constantly spawning droids, which I doubt he just walked through.
Just played that part yesterday. You literally can just walk through.
Also note that Bastila specifically says she's using her Battle Meditation to aid the Republic fleet and says that Revan doesn't need her to beat Malak.
In one dialogue option if you say why don't you come with me which for all we know is n-canon.
It doesn't.What, do you think that image is meant to be some kind of metaphor? 😆
That doesn't mean its not impressive.As Sith assassins they feed off nearby Force sensistives, which Kreia is, increasing their power. Their strength is dependent on Kreias.
Plus it doesn't matter. Kiling 12 Sith with a single attack without even gesturing is hugely impressive no matter how powerful they are. But considering they're in the Trayas Academy and guarding the Trayas Core I hardly think they were shit. Also the fact that they could stand around normally with the MSG indicates some strength.
Right so you have no proof. Do you even have proof they were force sensitives?
She does it in the game too, just not to the same extent:3.10
>Says she does it in the unmodified game
>Posts link where the masters clearly have on modded clothing and Lonna Vash is in it.
>allmylols
Malak didn't beat the Ebon Hawk though. So there no point bringing up that he could and there no indication he could do it casually either.
Plus HK-47 and Mandalore were on the Exiles team.
So?
Revan's team:
Master Bindo
Knight Juhani
Knight Bastilla
Revan
Canderous
HK-47
Mission
Zaalbar
T3-M4
4 Jedi, the soon to be Mandalore, and HK-47 would have been stomped by Malak.
No it doesn't. It just means the Exile is that good of a fighter.
Prove she fought them all.
Lol, no I don't. Its your theory and theres nothing supporting it. I don't need to prove anything, the fact that she flat out says she won't hold back just proves she wasn't beyond any doubt, when theres no reason to doubt in the first place.
Right after she states how much she loves the Exile and how she is literally the culmination of everything she's worked for in destroying the force.
The Traya holding back theory has never been anything other than Exile-hate posing as an idea. People just don't want to accept that the Exile is legitimately powerful. It has no basis in fact whatsoever. Anyone who has actually played the game knows that Kreia holding back is anathema to her philosophy. She believes that truly helping someone is to allow them to sort out problems by their own power, because otherwise they do not truly grow. She specifically says that holding back and allowing the Exile to kill her would make everything the Exile has achieved meaningless. She says that the Exile surpassing her has rewarded her more than anything else could have.
Exile hate? People don't hate the Exile they just recognized that she got retconned to sidekick levels.
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If she though she had to allow her perfect student to kill her she never would have been that into her in the first place. It would betray everything she believes in. [/QUOTE]
Here's the problem with your theory. Kriea would say anything to manipulate the Exile to her precise purpose. So her credibility is completely and utterly non-existent.
Don't care.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Giving the person who casually owned her hell.
On the Star Forge. While amped. And able to Regenerate. With his opponent tired. And he lost. Multiple times.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Prove she didn't just sneak through the academy. She only beat Kreia once. It was one battle Kreia didn't get healed. Okay so she's a prodigy. Big deal Malak was the 2nd most promising knight of the era.
The Sith assassins can sense Force users through their ability, so she couldn't have sneaked passed them. Plus they know shes there since they greet her at the entrance. She beat Kreia twice. Once when she cut off her remaining hand and then again when Kreia TK's the 3 lightsabers.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Defeat Darth Nyriss for one.
HahahahNO.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You are grasping a straws here.
When someone uses Battle Meditation it affects everyone on the battlefield. Show me one time when BM has been used where it boosted an entire fleet/army but didn't boost one or two individuals.
You're grasping for straws. Theres nothing indicating she was using BM on him. It is purely your speculation that she was. She herself says she isn't and that Revan doesn't need her to beat Malak.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
>Character statements are hardly credible evidence, especially from Bastilla who is pitifully trying to use Dun Moch.
>You keep citing Revan's exhaustion when he fought Malak when its mentioned in no sources but you fail to mention that Revan was still recovering from being drugged and a sensory overload.
>Theres no point saying he's tired if he isn't. What, is she trying to trick him into thinking he is? Lmao. "Well I don't feel tired, but Bastila says so..." She says she can sense it. Its unlikely Jedi senses would be wrong.
> I don't fvcking care.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Just played that part yesterday. You literally can just walk through.
My Revan was fighting with the Incredible Hulk and I still found it a *****.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
In one dialogue option if you say why don't you come with me which for all we know is n-canon.
If its a dialogue option then its canon you dork.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Oh okay so Revan and Bastilla both fought Malak?
No, its an idiotic picture thats non-canon.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Right so you have no proof. Do you even have proof they were force sensitives?
Are you ****ing serious?
They are standing in the center of a Sith temple dressed in Sith robes equipped with lightsabers. Do you think they're the ****ing janitors?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
>Says she does it in the unmodified game
>Posts link where the masters clearly have on modded clothing and Lonna Vash is in it.
>allmylols
Argh, so gay.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Malak
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So?
Revan's team:
Master Bindo
Knight Juhani
Knight Bastilla
Revan
Canderous
HK-47
Mission
Zaalbar
T3-M44 Jedi, the soon to be Mandalore, and HK-47 would have been stomped by Malak.
So they're impressive combatants that she actually beat for real and not just imaginarily.
Also Jolee was just a padawan iirc. He was at least not a Master. He was never formally promoted.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Prove she fought them all.
Uh, fought who?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Right after she states how much she loves the Exile and how she is literally the culmination of everything she's worked for in destroying the force.
So what, that doesn't contradict what I said. As per her philosophy, her loving her just means she'd fight her even harder.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Exile hate? People don't hate the Exile they just recognized that she got retconned to sidekick levels.
The theory has been around way before Revan came out. People have always said she was holding back because they don't want her to look equal to Revan.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Here's the problem with your theory. Kriea would say anything to manipulate the Exile to her precise purpose. So her credibility is completely and utterly non-existent.
No she wouldn't. She doesn't lie in that entire final exchange. Theres no point. Why would she want the Exile to kill her if not to surpass her? The theory makes no sense on any conceivable level to anyone with even a basic grasp of Kreia's character.
In fact, I have my own theory: Malak was totally holding back on his former bestest buddy.
I have absolutely no proof for this theory and it is in no way supported by anything but it is totally legit guys! Malak was just lying when he said he wanted to kill Revan, because he's a Sith, so we can't trust anything he says. He even shows regret in his final dialogue proving he was conflicted and obviously holding back. And unlike Kriea, he doesn't specifically deny that he was holding back and possess a philosophy that makes such a possibility completely laughable, so its even more likelilier than the Kreia theory.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Don't care.[QUOTE]
On the Star Forge. While amped. And able to Regenerate. With his opponent tired. And he lost.So? Nyriss while amped, with her opponent amped got one-shotted by Revan.
[QUOTE]
The Sith assassins can sense Force users through their ability, so she couldn't have sneaked passed them. Plus they know shes there since they greet her at the entrance. She beat Kreia twice. Once when she cut off her remaining hand and then again when Kreia TK's the 3 lightsabers.
That's the same battle. Kreia didn't rejuvenate herself after that.
HahahahNO.
You're grasping for straws. Theres nothing indicating she was using BM on him. It is purely your speculation that she was. She herself says she isn't and that Revan doesn't need her to beat Malak.
Show me one other instance of BM not affecting everyone in the vicinity. Oh wait there isn't one. +If you really want to pull that card Revan is a part of the Republic Fleet.
>Theres no point saying he's tired if he isn't. What, is she trying to trick him into thinking he is? Lmao. "Well I don't feel tired, but Bastila says so..." She says she can sense it. Its unlikely Jedi senses would be wrong.
> I don't fvcking care.
Concession accepted.
My Revan was fighting with the Incredible Hulk and I still found it a *****.
No, like the door at the end of the room isn't even locked/ has a low level security that you can hack through. I remember because I was like '**** this' and tried to open the door.
If its a dialogue option then its canon you dork.
No that's not how that works. Unless you have proof that's the pure LS version.
No, its an idiotic picture thats non-canon.
It's actually C-canon unless they said otherwise.
Are you ****ing serious?They are standing in the center of a Sith temple dressed in Sith robes equipped with lightsabers. Do you think they're the ****ing janitors?
No they could be, oh I dunno apprentices?
Argh, so gay.
So they're impressive combatants that she actually beat for real and not just imaginarily.
Also Jolee was just a padawan iirc. He was at least not a Master. He was never formally promoted.
The Council offered him the position of Knight to which he refused. So I guess he's technically a padawan.
Uh, fought who?
George Clooney, the entire fvcking temple that's who.
So what, that doesn't contradict what I said. As per her philosophy, her loving her just means she'd fight her even harder.
The philosophy she told the Exile while manipulating her? Prove she was even telling the truth about that philosophy. And even then wasn't manipulating the Exile to be stronger.
No she wouldn't. She doesn't lie in that entire final exchange. Theres no point. Why would she want the Exile to kill her if not to surpass her? The theory makes no sense on any conceivable level to anyone with even a basic grasp of Kreia's character.
Or perhaps it is you who does not grasp Kreia's character. The Exile did not need to surpass Kreia in order to plausibly destroy the Force. Which is Kreia's super objective.
If the Exile dies, Kreia's entire plan falls to shit.
Even if she was not consciously holding back, it seems doubtful at best that someone's subconscious would allow them to annihilate their philosophical dream.
Originally posted by Nephthys
In fact, I have my own theory: Malak was totally holding back on his former bestest buddy.I have absolutely no proof for this theory and it is in no way supported by anything but it is totally legit guys! Malak was just lying when he said he wanted to kill Revan, because he's a Sith, so we can't trust anything he says. He even shows regret in his final dialogue [b]proving
he was conflicted and obviously holding back. And unlike Kriea, he doesn't specifically deny that he was holding back and possess a philosophy that makes such a possibility completely laughable, so its even more likelilier than the Kreia theory. [/B]
*more likely
Taking your point as an actual correction was likewise merely a joke, acting as if you were truly that anal and concerned with grammar, in order to be dismissive about your dismissiveness.
Everything is according to MY design.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
You don't have to misspell a word to invoke an air of stupidity.
I know. The concept is so stupid it was a bit irrelevant. But a little too much is better than too little as my pappy used to say.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Taking your point as an actual correction was likewise merely a joke, acting as if you were truly that anal and concerned with grammar, in order to be dismissive about your dismissiveness.
My mimicking of your pitiful sentence structure was me mocking you.
To quote you:
Everything is according to MY design.
I know. The concept is so stupid it was a bit irrelevant. But a little too much is better than too little as my pappy used to say.
Pappy didn't tell you he dropped you as a child.