Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So? Nyriss while amped, with her opponent amped got one-shotted by Revan.
Actually she one-shot herself.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
That's the same battle. Kreia didn't rejuvenate herself after that.
They stop and talk. You can't really call it the same fight when theres a break in between.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yup. Malak's performance against Revan>>>>>>Nyriss'
Nope.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Show me one other instance of BM not affecting everyone in the vicinity. Oh wait there isn't one. +If you really want to pull that card Revan is a part of the Republic Fleet.
But Revan isn't a part of the Republic fleet. He's on the Star Forge, completely seperate from the fleet. Theres no indication Bastila's BM extended to the Forge and the fleet. She only says she's using it on the fleet. Anything else is baseless supposition.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
>Someone doesn't understand Dun Moch.
> Someone doesn't understandd basic logic. Theres no point for her to lie about it. It wouldn't wear Revan down, if he wasn't tired he'd just be like:
"No I'm not. I feel fine."
"No no, you're tired."
"Actually, I think I can probably still beat you a few more times. Then still have enough in the tank to sit on Malaks neck, like, four times in a row. Wow, this'll be easy!"
"Noooooo. Noooo you're tired. Shut uuuuuup. Tiiiiiired!"
"Fancy a shag?"
(My headcanon Revan is british)
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Concession accepted.
oh no
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No, like the door at the end of the room isn't even locked/ has a low level security that you can hack through. I remember because I was like '**** this' and tried to open the door.
Great, so Revan was fighting never-ending robots while fighting Malak too? Man, he must have facestomped that bald prick!
(this is a joke, Revan didn't slice the door while fighting robots obvs)
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No that's not how that works. Unless you have proof that's the pure LS version.
Oh really? I wasn't aware you were an authority on canon now? That must be so cool.
Its canon. If its in the script its canon as long as it doesn't contradict anything else.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
It's actually C-canon unless they said otherwise.
No it isn't. It contradicts the actual game and is non-canon.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No they could be, oh I dunno apprentices?
Because they're dressed as Sith Assassins. And they can turn invisible and resist the MSG so they're obviously not noobs.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
You've shown me nothing I don't already know. She force pushes them once, and pushes Vrook once more. Big deal.
Smacking 3 Jedi Masters around is a big deal, yes. 🙂
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Council offered him the position of Knight to which he refused. So I guess he's technically a padawan.
Ok.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
George Clooney, the entire fvcking temple that's who.
But we were talking about her fighting Kreia?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The philosophy she told the Exile while manipulating her? Prove she was even telling the truth about that philosophy. And even then wasn't manipulating the Exile to be stronger.
Only if you prove Malak actually wanted to kill Revan.
Theres no reason for her to lie about it. She keeps up with it even after she's revealed and theres no more point to lie.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Or perhaps it is you who does not grasp Kreia's character. The Exile did not need to surpass Kreia in order to plausibly destroy the Force. Which is Kreia's super objective.
If the Exile dies, Kreia's entire plan falls to shit.
Even if she was not consciously holding back, it seems doubtful at best that someone's subconscious would allow them to annihilate their philosophical dream.
Or perhaps you don't grasp the actual plot of the game.
"It will deafen all touched by the Force, until no life is left. You were strong enough to withstand it once - but few have your strength in such matters, especially if they are unprepared."
"But if Kreia is Sith, why would she do such a thing?"
"She seeks the death of all Jedi, all Sith... and the death of the Force. It is madness, it is impossible - but she believes you are the key. There are places in the galaxy dead to the Force, where nothing lives - where the echoes travel forever and do not reach their destination. And these places may be created, even from the simplest of events, the slightest of motions."
Kreia's plan is to kill the Exile at the core of Malachor to create a ripple through the Force to kill it.
What, did you think her plan was to die and then the Exile would kill the Force..... somehow? No.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Actually she one-shot herself.
No. That was Revan.
They stop and talk. You can't really call it the same fight when theres a break in between.
😆 So Yoda vs. Sidious wasn't one fight? And Vader vs. Luke? And even Skywalker vs. Dooku? 😆
Nope.
Yup. Revan AT BEST was at a comparable position when he fought Nyriss and yet he lowediffed her and high diffed Malak.
But Revan isn't a part of the Republic fleet. He's on the Star Forge, completely seperate from the fleet. Theres no indication Bastila's BM extended to the Forge and the fleet. She only says she's using it on the fleet. Anything else is baseless supposition.
The Forge
> Someone doesn't understandd basic logic. Theres no point for her to lie about it. It wouldn't wear Revan down, if he wasn't tired he'd just be like:"No I'm not. I feel fine."
"No no, you're tired."
"Actually, I think I can probably still beat you a few more times. Then still have enough in the tank to sit on Malaks neck, like, four times in a row. Wow, this'll be easy!"
"Noooooo. Noooo you're tired. Shut uuuuuup. Tiiiiiired!"
"Fancy a shag?"
(My headcanon Revan is british)
O rly?
"Your powers are weak old man."
Said Vader as Kenobi fought him to an impasse. Its called weakening your resolve. If I am fighting someone and I am a bit tired and they are like "You're tired, and weak." Then yeah for some that's a bit of a demoralizer.
Great, so Revan was fighting never-ending robots while fighting Malak too? Man, he must have facestomped that bald prick!
Oh really? I wasn't aware you were an authority on canon now? That must be so cool.
Its canon. If its in the script its canon as long as it doesn't contradict anything else.
Show me this in the offical Lucasarts policy on canon.
No it isn't. It contradicts the actual game and is non-canon.
Bullshit the game and the databank are the same level of canon. In fact because the holorecords are more recent, the game should technically be take as n-canon.
Because they're dressed as Sith Assassins. And they can turn invisible and resist the MSG so they're obviously not noobs.
Or they just have a cloaking device. Prove they used the force to turn invisible.
Smacking 3 Jedi Masters around is a big deal, yes. 🙂
So smacking 3 Coleman Trebors around is a big deal?
But we were talking about her fighting Kreia?
Right and you were saying she was tired from fighting through the temple already.
Only if you prove Malak actually wanted to kill Revan.
Aside from sending out 2 waves of battledroids, every Dark Jedi and Sith on the station, as well as his apprentice. Not to mention Malak never states he loves Revan, or calls Revan beautiful, nor is LS Revan the embodiment of what he dreams of.
Theres no reason for her to lie about it. She keeps up with it even after she's revealed and theres no more point to lie.
Or perhaps you don't grasp the actual plot of the game."It will deafen all touched by the Force, until no life is left. You were strong enough to withstand it once - but few have your strength in such matters, especially if they are unprepared."
"But if Kreia is Sith, why would she do such a thing?"
"She seeks the death of all Jedi, all Sith... and the death of the Force. It is madness, it is impossible - but she believes you are the key. There are places in the galaxy dead to the Force, where nothing lives - where the echoes travel forever and do not reach their destination. And these places may be created, even from the simplest of events, the slightest of motions."
Kreia's plan is to kill the Exile at the core of Malachor to create a ripple through the Force to kill it.
What, did you think her plan was to die and then the Exile would kill the Force..... somehow? No.
I am sorry what? How would killing the Exile on Malachor V kill the force. You are talking out of your ass her buddy.
And yes. The Exile would continue to kill, and battle, and the hole in the force would grow until it consumed the galaxy. That's what I thought.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No. That was Revan.
No it was purely Nyriss' own power that defeated her. All Revan did was redirect it back at her. There is no indication that Revan himself could defeat her in one attack like that.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
😆 So Yoda vs. Sidious wasn't one fight? And Vader vs. Luke? And even Skywalker vs. Dooku? 😆
Wha? Yoda and Sidious didn't stop the duel to talk for a bit in the middle. If you're talking about Sidious gloating after knocking out Yoda that isn't a break in the fighting, Sidious was merely taking his time. Vader vs Luke also, Vader is searching for Luke and to kill him. Anakin and Dooku could technically count as one fight since the combat continued with Dooku vs Kenobi even after he got knocked out.
In the Exile vs Kreia fights, they fight until the Exile is able to cut off Kreia's hand. Then they extinguish their lightsabers and talk until the fight starts up again. Then the Exile has to beat her again. Two distinct confrontations.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yup. Revan AT BEST was at a comparable position when he fought Nyriss and yet he lowediffed her and high diffed Malak.
Thats an extremely narrow and blind reading of events. The only reason Revan won so easily is because Nyriss used an attack powerful to one-shot herself which Revan redirected to her.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
The Forge
Wow, you really need to be more careful when typing your replies up.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
O rly?"Your powers are weak old man."
Said Vader as Kenobi fought him to an impasse. Its called weakening your resolve. If I am fighting someone and I am a bit tired and they are like "You're tired, and weak." Then yeah for some that's a bit of a demoralizer.
Concession accepted.
So yeah, Revan was tired. Theres no reason to doubt Bastila. In your example Kenobi was weak, as confirmed by Lucas.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Oh really? I wasn't aware you were an authority on canon now? That must be so cool.
It is cool. I'm always cool. But I think you mucked up your reply again. 😬
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
😆 😆 😆Show me this in the offical Lucasarts policy on canon.
The only thing that isn't canon are in the case of branching events that are conflicting in terms of alignment. In terms of quests the best outcome is taken as the canonically one. In terms of what is said all options are ambiguous and thus all are canon as possibilities. If it was written by the writer and is in the game then you'd have to be an idiot to assume it isn't canon unless is has to do with one of the explicitly canon choices. The only times something is non-canon is when it conflicts with something that is.
The writer wrote it. Its in the game. It doesn't contradict any canonical event. Its canon.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Bullshit the game and the databank are the same level of canon. In fact because the holorecords are more recent, the game should technically be take as n-canon.
The game is the primary source and as such is the absolute canonical version of events. A picture cannot overwrite the actual ****ing game no more than drawing Jacen blond could overwrite his hair color being brown. Its a mistake and it should be taken as such.
If you read the Wookieeedia page on the Duel on the Star Forge you can see at the bottom that one of the developers confirms it as non-canon.
Things being labeled C-canon and T-canon and such based on being games are not complete rules, only what they generally fall into.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Or they just have a cloaking device. Prove they used the force to turn invisible.
They aren't shown wearing stealth field generators on their models or in the artwork depicting them and their description in the KotOR campaign guide says they can turn invisible.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
So smacking 3 Coleman Trebors around is a big deal?
They were Jedi Council Members who survived 2 wars. Vrook and Kavar display the ability to freeze whole rooms with the Force and Porn Stache smacked people around with a powerful Force Wave. Theres no indication they were shit.
And yes, overpowering 3 Coleman Trebors at the same time is still a big deal.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Right and you were saying she was tired from fighting through the temple already.
Well Kreia's at the very center of the Academy and you need to fight through it to get to her. I mean, you only really need to fight through one of two ways but it isn't as if the rest of the Sith aren't going to hear or sense you fighting a few rooms away. Also Sion specifically tells the Sith to prepare for the Exile.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Aside from sending out 2 waves of battledroids, every Dark Jedi and Sith on the station, as well as his apprentice. Not to mention Malak never states he loves Revan, or calls Revan beautiful, nor is LS Revan the embodiment of what he dreams of.
And Kreia sets up Atris and Nihilus to fight the Exile as well as the Trayas Academy and Sion. Revan was his best friend. Obviously he'd be subconsciously holding back on him. I mean come on.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unless she believes it will lead the Exile to creating more holes in the force.
The Exile doesn't create holes in the Force.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am sorry what? How would killing the Exile on Malachor V kill the force. You are talking out of your ass her buddy.And yes. The Exile would continue to kill, and battle, and the hole in the force would grow until it consumed the galaxy. That's what I thought.
Urgh, looks like you need the rest of the dialogue to help you through:
"What I started?"
"Yes, you are an echo in the Force, a hollow space where it has been wounded. It takes a great act of destruction to create such emptiness, but it can be done. It creates places where the Force is difficult to hear, and difficult to find one's way. And you carry it with you, always."
"What does this have to do with Kreia?"
"It will deafen all touched by the Force, until no life is left. You were strong enough to withstand it once - but few have your strength in such matters, especially if they are unprepared."
"But if Kreia is Sith, why would she do such a thing?"
"She seeks the death of all Jedi, all Sith... and the death of the Force. It is madness, it is impossible - but she believes you are the key. There are places in the galaxy dead to the Force, where nothing lives - where the echoes travel forever and do not reach their destination. And these places may be created, even from the simplest of events, the slightest of motions."
"Who is Kreia?"
How is that possible?"
"Because she has gone to Malachor. She is waiting for you there. But you will not survive Telos. Nothing will."
Translation: She's gone to Malachor to create a new wound that will ripple outwards. She explains how this is possible on Nar Shaddaa just like Atris does above. It takes an act of destruction to do it. What act of destruction could she do other than kill the Exile, whose life is bound by so many and who carries so much inside her? Who is tied to Malachor? And if the Exile doesn't go she'll kill herself and the Exile. Atris says that Kreia can do this specifically because she's on Malachor. So your idea doesn't make sense since since the Exile growing and creating new wounds wouldn't happen on Malachor.
Her plan is to perform an act of destruction on Malachor that can only be done on Malachor and she needs to lure the Exile, who is spiritually tied to Malachor and all the death there, to Malachor to do it. Do the math.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it was purely Nyriss' own power that defeated her. All Revan did was redirect it back at her. There is no indication that Revan himself could defeat her in one attack like that.
Are you serious? Given the casual nature in which he deflected it. Yeah he could. Also Tutaminis is Revan's power. The power needed to redirect lightning is greater than the power needed to unleash it.
Wha? Yoda and Sidious didn't stop the duel to talk for a bit in the middle. If you're talking about Sidious gloating after knocking out Yoda that isn't a break in the fighting, Sidious was merely taking his time. Vader vs Luke also, Vader is searching for Luke and to kill him. Anakin and Dooku could technically count as one fight since the combat continued with Dooku vs Kenobi even after he got knocked out.
Yes they did.
And its one fight. One duel. Just because there's a gameplay break in the middle means nothing.
In the Exile vs Kreia fights, they fight until the Exile is able to cut off Kreia's hand. Then they extinguish their lightsabers and talk until the fight starts up again. Then the Exile has to beat her again. Two distinct confrontations.
They are not. Its one fight dumbass. Kreia's wounds and force exhaustion didn't magically heal in the 30 seconds of dialogue.
Thats an extremely narrow and blind reading of events. The only reason Revan won so easily is because Nyriss used an attack powerful to one-shot herself which Revan redirected to her.
Hell when Yoda redirected Dooku's lightning, the latter still had the power to redirect it.
Wow, you really need to be more careful when typing your replies up.
So yeah, Revan was tired. Theres no reason to doubt Bastila. In your example Kenobi was weak, as confirmed by Lucas.
Yes compared to his prime. No shit. And yet even in that form he was fighting Vader to an impasse. If Revan were actually getting more tired and Bastilla stronger, logic dictates he would have lost. Except he didn't, in fact I'm pretty sure there is a line of dialogue where you can specifically counter what Bastilla says. Which according to your definitions of canon
The only thing that isn't canon are in the case of branching events that are conflicting in terms of alignment. In terms of quests the best outcome is taken as the canonically one. In terms of what is said all options are ambiguous and thus all are canon as possibilities. If it was written by the writer and is in the game then you'd have to be an idiot to assume it isn't canon unless is has to do with one of the explicitly canon choices. The only times something is non-canon is when it conflicts with something that is.
If its written by the writer it is canon? I don't really know about that.
That's not how that works. The Light Side dialogue choices are canon. So the top one typically. If all the dialogue is canon, then you'd have several conflicting events.
The writer wrote it. Its in the game. It doesn't contradict any canonical event. Its canon.
Oh? So literally Revan's every single DS choice is canon except the one at the end? I call bullshit.
The game is the primary source and as such is the absolute canonical version of events. A picture cannot overwrite the actual ****ing game no more than drawing Jacen blond could overwrite his hair color being brown. Its a mistake and it should be taken as such.
Nope that's not how that works. It's not more canon than the game. Sorry.
If you read the Wookieeedia page on the Duel on the Star Forge you can see at the bottom that one of the developers confirms it as non-canon.Things being labeled C-canon and T-canon and such based on being games are not complete rules, only what they generally fall into.
I am playing devil's advocate. I don't think Bastilla was with Revan, but I do think she helped him with BM.
They aren't shown wearing stealth field generators on their models or in the artwork depicting them and their description in the KotOR campaign guide says they can turn invisible.
Okay. They are still featless.
They were Jedi Council Members who survived 2 wars. Vrook and Kavar display the ability to freeze whole rooms with the Force and Porn Stache smacked people around with a powerful Force Wave. Theres no indication they were shit.
And yes, overpowering 3 Coleman Trebors at the same time is still a big deal.
No it isn't. Otherwise would you consider Malak killing the elite Jedi Strike team members with his lighting a big deal?
Well Kreia's at the very center of the Academy and you need to fight through it to get to her. I mean, you only really need to fight through one of two ways but it isn't as if the rest of the Sith aren't going to hear or sense you fighting a few rooms away. Also Sion specifically tells the Sith to prepare for the Exile.
And Kreia sets up Atris and Nihilus to fight the Exile as well as the Trayas Academy and Sion. Revan was his best friend. Obviously he'd be subconsciously holding back on him. I mean come on.
Except Malak already tried to kill Revan without hesitation on the bridge of his flagship. Kreia never tried to do that.
The Exile doesn't create holes in the Force.
""You are a cipher, forming bonds, leeching the life of others, siphoning their will and dominating them. You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force. Within you we see something worse than the teachings of the Sith. What you carry may mean the death of the Force…and the death of the Jedi."
Urgh, looks like you need the rest of the dialogue to help you through:"What I started?"
"Yes, you are an echo in the Force, a hollow space where it has been wounded. It takes a great act of destruction to create such emptiness, but it can be done. It creates places where the Force is difficult to hear, and difficult to find one's way. And you carry it with you, always."
"What does this have to do with Kreia?"
"It will deafen all touched by the Force, until no life is left. You were strong enough to withstand it once - but few have your strength in such matters, especially if they are unprepared."
"But if Kreia is Sith, why would she do such a thing?"
"She seeks the death of all Jedi, all Sith... and the death of the Force. It is madness, it is impossible - but she believes you are the key. There are places in the galaxy dead to the Force, where nothing lives - where the echoes travel forever and do not reach their destination. And these places may be created, even from the simplest of events, the slightest of motions."
"Who is Kreia?"
How is that possible?"
"Because she has gone to Malachor. She is waiting for you there. But you will not survive Telos. Nothing will."
Translation: She's gone to Malachor to create a new wound that will ripple outwards. She explains how this is possible on Nar Shaddaa just like Atris does above. It takes an act of destruction to do it. What act of destruction could she do other than kill the Exile, whose life is bound by so many and who carries so much inside her? Who is tied to Malachor? And if the Exile doesn't go she'll kill herself and the Exile. Atris says that Kreia can do this specifically because she's on Malachor. So your idea doesn't make sense since since the Exile growing and creating new wounds wouldn't happen on Malachor.
I am sorry. I do not see how you got she has gone to Malachor to create a new wound= her killing the Exile. The Exile is a wound, destroying a wound does not create a wound. Otherwise when Malachor V was destroyed, it would have likely annihilated the force. Same with killing Darth Nihilus. Your theory has two gaping holes in logic there.
Her plan is to perform an act of destruction on Malachor that can only be done on Malachor and she needs to lure the Exile, who is spiritually tied to Malachor and all the death there, to Malachor to do it. Do the math. [/B]
No you do the math. Killing a wound does not create a ripple in the force. Otherwise killing Nihilus and destroying Malachor would have rended the force asunder. Instead, it mended it.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Are you serious? Given the casual nature in which he deflected it. Yeah he could.
Oh really? Then its weird how he never does. Ever. He never displays that kind of power anywhere else in the novel.
Prove that he could.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Also Tutaminis is Revan's power. The power needed to redirect lightning is greater than the power needed to unleash it.
No it isn't.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes they did.
And its one fight. One duel. Just because there's a gameplay break in the middle means nothing.
Nah, it does.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
They are not. Its one fight dumbass. Kreia's wounds and force exhaustion didn't magically heal in the 30 seconds of dialogue.
No.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
That's an extremely dumb and blind reading of the events. The fact that Nyriss used an attack so powerful and Revan was able to redirect it means she's considerably weaker than Revan.
Or that he possesses powerful Tutaminis ability.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If she wasn't she'd have been able to redirect it herself, or at least reduce the damage to the point where she wasn't reduced into a pile of ash.
It was charged up and therefore above her ability to effectively block on the fly.
Also I'm not seeing how that would make her not powerful. Its her attack after all.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
In otherwords, no attack she used would have breached Revan's defences. Implying a huge superiority on Revan's front.
Sure.
In terms of Tutaminis. 🙂
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Hell when Yoda redirected Dooku's lightning, the latter still had the power to redirect it.
Yes he did.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Sorry, what I meant to say was that. Revan was in a closer proximity to Bastilla than the fleet was. On the Ebon Hawke Bastilla states its likely they were able to escape only because of her BM. Which means, she doesn't consciously get to nitpick which people are affected by her BM. It is something that affects the ENTIRE battlefield, which both Revan and Malak were on.
Incorrect, Bastila was using it on the Fleet. Revan and Malak were not on the same battlefield as the fleet. The were far away from it. It is up to you to show that Bastila's BM extended over the fleet, the distance to the Star Forge and the Forge itself. Just because Revan was closer doesn't mean it would extend to him when she is using it on the fleet. Thats like arguing that someone using lightning hits people behind her because they were standing close to them.
What do you mean about Bastila saying they only got away due to her BM? You don't talk to Bastila on the Ebon Hawk after fighting Malak.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yes compared to his prime. No shit. And yet even in that form he was fighting Vader to an impasse. If Revan were actually getting more tired and Bastilla stronger, logic dictates he would have lost. Except he didn't, in fact I'm pretty sure there is a line of dialogue where you can specifically counter what Bastilla says. Which according to your definitions of canon
But as I said it still had a basis in fact. Vader was taunting Kenobi for being diminished.
No, he wouldn't, since even tired Revan can beat her. Just like how even tired, Meetra beat Kreia. Thats the point of why you can turn her, because you're proving how strong you really are.
As to Revan countering it, no, Revan just says he hasn't faltered, which isn't the same as not being tired. It doesn't make sense for Revan not to be tired after all that fighting. Fighting which Malak designed to tire Revan out. Your theory contradicts everything in the text and suggests that Revan is a machine that doesn't get tired after fighting through a colossal fortress.
Malak sends out troops to tire Revan.
Revan has to fight through a lot of people to get to him. Which would be tiring.
And Bastila specifically says Revans tired.
And your evidence to contradict this is? "Uh no, he wasn't tired cuz uh derrrrp!" Oh yes and a non-canon picture. Real convincing.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
If its written by the writer it is canon? I don't really know about that.That's not how that works. The Light Side dialogue choices are canon. So the top one typically. If all the dialogue is canon, then you'd have several conflicting events.
Yes, the Light Side choices are canon. Not specifically the dialogue. It wouldn't be conflicting, just ambiguous which was canon. Plus the response I'm talking about is one you get for redeeming Bastila through the canon romance.
5.38. But look through the entire dialogue and you'll see that I'm right. And the guy chooses all the top options other than Persuade attempts.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Oh? So literally Revan's every single DS choice is canon except the one at the end? I call bullshit.
No, because that contradicts Revans canon alignment. All LS choices are the canon ones iirc. Not the dialogue in between though unless it locks you out of a canon choice or something similar.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Nope that's not how that works. It's not more canon than the game. Sorry.
Yes it is. For instance one source says that Kreia tired to kill the Exile on Dantooine after killing the Jedi Masters. This completely contradicts the game and the scene and is non-canon.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am playing devil's advocate. I don't think Bastilla was with Revan, but I do think she helped him with BM.
Good for you.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No it isn't. Otherwise would you consider Malak killing the elite Jedi Strike team members with his lighting a big deal?
What do you mean? You mean those two Jedi he kills before you fight him? Yes, I've said thats an impressive feats before. They fought all the way trough the Star Forge after all.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Except Malak already tried to kill Revan without hesitation on the bridge of his flagship. Kreia never tried to do that.
That sounds logical but I am going to ignore it anyway because **** you sense!
Also Malak only fires on it once or something. And doesn't destroy the bridge despite the fact that he clearly could continue to fire on it and actually destroy the ship. Obviously he was holding back.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
""You are a cipher, forming bonds, leeching the life of others, siphoning their will and dominating them. You are a breach that must be closed. You transmit your pain, your suffering through the Force. Within you we see something worse than the teachings of the Sith. What you carry may mean the death of the Force…and the death of the Jedi."
I'm looking to see where it says in there that she was forming holes in the Force but all I'm seeing is her being a Wound.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
I am sorry. I do not see how you got she has gone to Malachor to create a new wound= her killing the Exile. The Exile is a wound, destroying a wound does not create a wound. Otherwise when Malachor V was destroyed, it would have likely annihilated the force. Same with killing Darth Nihilus. Your theory has two gaping holes in logic there.
The is no other possibility for what it could mean.
Nihilus was nowhere near Malachor when he died, so it wouldn't have the same effect. And Kreias plan is to use Malachor to amplify the disturbance. Destroying Malachor itself wouldn't have the same effect either.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
No you do the math. Killing a wound does not create a ripple in the force. Otherwise killing Nihilus and destroying Malachor would have rended the force asunder. Instead, it mended it.
You posted it yourself. The Exile transmits her pain through the Force. Kreia brought the Exile there so she could send that through the whole of the Force.
I'm not really sure if Lucas's comments about ANH Kenobi vs ANH Vader being "a hard fight" for them both because they're both "Old Jedi" still holds, as those comments were pre AOTC I believe, when we have 80 year old plus Dooku making a fool of the "young" Kenobi.
Besides which after ROTS Lucas confirmed Post Mustafar Vader to be on the level of Maul/Dooku. (Perhaps closer to Maul in the earlier Empire days, then closer to Dooker towards the OT?)
Will be interesting to see if the upcoming animation "Rebels" shows the power levels of Post Mustafar Vader and Kenobi.