OWAW Superman/WarHulk vs Odinfirce Thor/Voidsentry

Originally posted by abhilegend
Imperiex prime actually created a second big bang when sundipped superman overpowered his energies and threw warworld to dawn of time.

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Now in all seriousness...

Question 1) What are you trying to prove with the Imperiex-Prime instance?

Nothing during that encounter stands out for Superman. He had help, but he actually didn't even need that help, since he didn't do anything significant.
Should I now be impressed with him breaking Imperiex-Prime's armor? That armor has basically no durability feats what so ever.

Let me give you few examples of durability feats... Sentry busted Doctor Doom's force fields and his armor multiple times, which protected Doctor Doom from:

- an amped up Captain Britain and being punched across the limbo,
- deflected Mjolnir,
- protected Doom from Silver Surfer's attacks,
- Mephistos attacks,
- Uatu, the Watcher's attacks,
- Galactus' attacks,
- Infinity Gauntlet Thanos' attack ...

Sorry, but I don't give a damn about Superman busting Imperiex-Prime's armor. Like at all.

Question 2: Or should I be impressed with Superman flying into Imperiex' energy, which was building up and it was never mentioned at what level that energy was?

Once again, I simply don't give a damn.
Molecule Man was fighting the Beyonder and they were both affecting multiple galaxies and even timelines with their power output, yet the Sentry stood up against that guy and straight up overpowered him.
Even the Cosmic Cube instance is worth being mentioned, since there we can somewhat grasp what kind of a feat it is to stabilize the Cosmic Cube for a while, while I can't say the same for Superman's encounter with a random ass explosion, which went later on off and killed Imperiex-Prime. Killed by his own power ... what a way to go.

Question 3: Or do you have Superman's feat in mind, where he "ends the fight" by pushing the opponent through a Boom Tube?

-__________-

But then again, hey ...
I think there is a thread here on the Killermovies-Versus-forums where people seriously gave Imperiex-Prime the win over the Chaos King himself... That's as insane as it gets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In another instance he would've destroyed a universal reality warper by a sundip of less than a minute. He beat Dominus who was multiversal reality warper by reversing his own reality warping on him.

Does this now mean that Superman is going to throw Void's molecule manipulation back at him?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Post all the stuff "mr. glowing aura means reality warping". Hey, superman is glowing too!! He punches Sentry's face in!

I told the other guy to judge for himself. I say that it was reality warping, because that's for the Norn stones are known for. They warp the reality and they grant the users wishes.

Man, answer me this one question:
If fighting at their best, do you actually think that Superman can beat Sentry / Void?

Originally posted by Enzeru
Now in all seriousness...

[b]Question 1) What are you trying to prove with the Imperiex-Prime instance?

Nothing during that encounter stands out for Superman. He had help, but he actually didn't even need that help, since he didn't do anything significant.
Should I now be impressed with him breaking Imperiex-Prime's armor? That armor has basically no durability feats what so ever.

Let me give you few examples of durability feats... Sentry busted Doctor Doom's force fields and his armor multiple times, which protected Doctor Doom from:

- an amped up Captain Britain and being punched across the limbo,
- deflected Mjolnir,
- protected Doom from Silver Surfer's attacks,
- Mephistos attacks,
- Uatu, the Watcher's attacks,
- Galactus' attacks,
- Infinity Gauntlet Thanos' attack ...

Sorry, but I don't give a damn about Superman busting Imperiex-Prime's armor. Like at all.

Question 2: Or should I be impressed with Superman flying into Imperiex' energy, which was building up and it was never mentioned at what level that energy was?

Once again, I simply don't give a damn.
Molecule Man was fighting the Beyonder and they were both affecting multiple galaxies and even timelines with their power output, yet the Sentry stood up against that guy and straight up overpowered him.
Even the Cosmic Cube instance is worth being mentioned, since there we can somewhat grasp what kind of a feat it is to stabilize the Cosmic Cube for a while, while I can't say the same for Superman's encounter with a random ass explosion, which went later on off and killed Imperiex-Prime. Killed by his own power ... what a way to go.

Question 3: Or do you have Superman's feat in mind, where he "ends the fight" by pushing the opponent through a Boom Tube?

-__________-

But then again, hey ...
I think there is a thread here on the Killermovies-Versus-forums where people seriously gave Imperiex-Prime the win over the Chaos King himself... That's as insane as it gets.

Does this now mean that Superman is going to throw Void's molecule manipulation back at him?

I told the other guy to judge for himself. I say that it was reality warping, because that's for the Norn stones are known for. They warp the reality and they grant the users wishes.

Man, answer me this one question:
If fighting at their best, do you actually think that Superman can beat Sentry / Void? [/B]

Hahaha, you haven't even read the scans, did you? Superman pushed the warworld which was powered by a being who created another big bang while the said being was using his full power to counter superman pushing it. It had nothing to do with superman busting imperiex's armor which was done by DC's version of Eternity sacrificing herself.

Molecule man restricted himself after that fight and it was shown on panel.

You don't give a damn about anything but sentry. Doesn't mean shit.

Are you trying to use Sentry holding a cosmic cube as a feat? Captain Mar-vell destroyed one with a karate chop. What level he is at?

When superman is using T-vo? He overthrew The God (Presence's) will. Void is nothing compared to that.

Sh!ts about to go down.

Wait till Carver shows up with Hulk. Thor is a non issue here 😈

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hahaha, you haven't even read the scans, did you? Superman pushed the warworld which was powered by a being who created another big bang while the said being was using his full power to counter superman pushing it. It had nothing to do with superman busting imperiex's armor which was done by DC's version of Eternity sacrificing herself.

Nothing that happened in the OWAW storyline matters anything in a fight against the Void-Sentry. That's my point. Don't try to make it look like more than it is. Everything that happened there had some kind of a contexty part to it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Molecule man restricted himself after that fight and it was shown on panel.

Yeah? Well, no.
After that fight nothing really happened, where it looked like Molecule Man lost even more power.

There was a short period, where he was in the Raft and it can be assumed that he had less power due to mentally ****ing himself up, but that happened in "New Avengers #1", which was written by Brian Michael Bendis, who also wrote the "Dark Avengers" comics, where Sentry defeated the Molecule Man.
After being asked if Molecule Man was depowered, Bendis said: "No."

Originally posted by abhilegend
You don't give a damn about anything but sentry. Doesn't mean shit.

I'm the first one, who will give Superman the victory over characters like Thor and Hulk, even though they have arguably better feats in some areas, but his speed is simply a too big advantage for them to compete with.

Sentry is my favorite character, but I'm not being biased, even though you like to believe so. I look at what I can work with and then judge from there on.
I would go as far to make the argument that the post retcon Molecule Man is as powerful as Galactus. Not a fully fed Galactus, but he would fare well against a mid-fed Galactus.
But that doesn't mean that I would instantly give the Sentry a win over Galactus. That would be insane and Galactus did enough to earn credit for the benefit of a doubt, therefore I wouldn't even argue about it.

But Sentry in a fight against characters on Superman's level? He wins that. The problem is that you're butthurt by that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you trying to use Sentry holding a cosmic cube as a feat? Captain Mar-vell destroyed one with a karate chop. What level he is at?

That ... what? Are you seriously trying to compare the two feats?
However man. Do you know what the Box of Pandora is? Take the Cosmic Cube out and put Pandora's Box in. Which feat is more impressive? Containing the Box, or destroying it? Exactly.

Originally posted by abhilegend
When superman is using T-vo? He overthrew The God (Presence's) will. Void is nothing compared to that.

Just give it up already.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Nothing that happened in the OWAW storyline matters anything in a fight against the Void-Sentry. That's my point. Don't try to make it look like more than it is. Everything that happened there had some kind of a contexty part to it.

Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]Hey there friends ... ^^ I'm not sure it's that simple.

For instance:

So, ... on top of being mentally unstable!
(Owen created illusionary facsimiles of Beyonder, Mephisto & others,
so he could talk to himself since they were reflections of his sub-conscious)

... Owen also [b]de-powered himself at the end of the Post-Beyonder fight:

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... Which is probably why in the Sentry encounter he's limited to localized molecular control:

(Owen himself stated this)

(Victoria Hand confirms this fact)

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... so that ... on top of literally wanting to lose during the Sentry comedy ...

Actually, I prefer to say,
Owen eased the win for Sentry, rather than outright handing it to him.
... meh, Sentry was obliterated on 3 separate occasions by Owen,
and at the end, Sentry even got a clean shot at Owen,
(same looking energy he used to defeat Owen)
and Owen immediately recovered/retaliated & exploded Sentry a Third time:

Then, the same looking orange energy has a lasting affect 3 pages later. lol
It seems to me, sub-consciously Owen had enough, and it was time to go away,
and Sentry was the only one powerful enough he could count on for the job.

Imo. [/B]

I'm the first one, who will give Superman the victory over characters like Thor and Hulk, even though they have arguably better feats in some areas, but his speed is simply a too big advantage for them to compete with.

Sentry is my favorite character, but I'm not being biased, even though you like to believe so. I look at what I can work with and then judge from there on.

I would go as far to make the argument that the post retcon Molecule Man is as powerful as Galactus. Not a fully fed Galactus, but he would fare well against a mid-fed Galactus.

But that doesn't mean that I would instantly give the Sentry a win over Galactus. That would be insane and Galactus did enough to earn credit for the benefit of a doubt, therefore I wouldn't even argue about it.

But Sentry in a fight against characters on Superman's level? He wins that.

The problem is that you're butthurt by that.

That ... what? Are you seriously trying to compare the two feats?

However man. Do you know what the Box of Pandora is? Take the Cosmic Cube out and put Pandora's Box in. Which feat is more impressive? Containing the Box, or destroying it? Exactly.

Just give it up already. [/B]

The mental gymnastics you're going to do would be fun to watch.

Regular Superman or Sun-Dipped?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Regular Superman or Sun-Dipped?

So its basically Superman vs Odin-force Thor and Void-Sentry here. As strong as the Hulk is he is kind of a non-factor in this fight. With supes and sentry and mjolnir zippin around at lightspeeds he is just gonna get dizzy. Until he tries to fight Odin-force Thor and gets uppercutted into space. I do think (hate saying this, I loathe superman) this version of supes can take 6/10 over either thor or sentry by himself but not both. And Hulk will be taken out of this fight early on. I see sentry taking supes on while Thor suckerpunches him with a godblast. And superman is not no selling anything from either one of these guys. And for you hulk fans, yeah he can probably beat up Sentry in fisticuffs but this version is not taking on Odin force Thor and coming out on top.

OWAW Superman/WarHulk no contest.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So you have nothing to counter it so you are pretending it never happened. There is no context behind it, superman went into the sun and ****ing overpowered big bang. It happened, deal with it.

Superman overpowered the big bang, something that killed Imperiex-Prime? Seems legit.
Besides that nonsense nothing in the arc comes even close to incdicating that he was actually facing the actual full energies of a big bang. What he did during their encounter was to fly the Warworld into a Boom Tube and you're trying to make that look like the best shice since sliced bread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Bendis has said a lot of BS in interviews like Ares is Thor level and such. Means shit.

I want you to show me where he says that. And don't link me to a thread, where a random user comes up with that quote, without offering the source.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What actually happened that Owen restricted his power after his fight with beyonder and its on panel fact.

No, it really didn't :-7 And the writer confirmed it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Neither Thor nor hulk have better feats with superman and sentry certainly doesn't.

Oh you're such a fanboy, it's not even funny anymore.
Especially considering the fact how many of Superman's feats are actually full of bull, judging by some of the efforts people put into to debunk Superman's feats. You know what I'm talking about and you fear it.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The fact that you believe you are non-biased is the biggest tragedy here.

Well, it's not like I expected anything else from you.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Molecule man restricted his powers. Mighty generous of you I guess.

If there ever is the day when a writer comes along and makes it look like Molecule Man actually, actually wanted to lose in that fight, then I'll be totally fine with that, but for now that's simply not the case.

I've seen Bendis confirming that Molecule Man was not depowered and I've seen the Molecule Man stating multiple times that Sentry's molecules are not like anything he has tasted ever before. I've seen MM being helpless later on when Sentry cut loose, asking him how he is doing that to him. Telling him that he is the one who controls the molecules, but in the end of the day he had to do what the Sentry wanted him to do and then he got sent away.

To me that didn't look like a man wanting to lose - it looked like a man, who was simply overpowered.
And that's not my opinion, that's what you see when you look at the comic:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/116291/2180597-11.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Heh, considering that "small god from the small world" killed him and sentry said it himself, I call bullshit.

What?

Originally posted by abhilegend
By a piece of shit clone like sentry? Don't make me laugh.

You're so wrong on so many levels, it's really tiresome.
I'm not going to make you laugh, but teach you something about characters you don't know crap about, but still want to argue...

Sentry is not "a piece of shit clone". Sentry couldn't be far more distant from Superman:
http://www.comicvine.com/sentry/4005-1454/forums/sentry-faq-is-sentry-a-superman-ripoff-1480145/#0

Originally posted by abhilegend
Why, yes. All sentry did is hold the cube. Red skull has done that too.
WTF has pandora's box has to do with this conversation? Do you speak a language only you understand?

I apologize for being stupid enough to think you could be smart enough to grasp the comparison.
What I meant is that I could hold the box of the Pandora in my hands, but I wouldn't like trying to contain the stuff coming out of it.

You comparing Red Skull holding the Cosmic Cube in his hands to Sentry containing a loose Cosmic Cube is ridiculouss beyond belief.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nah, the fun is just beginning. Here let me teach you, superman overpowers Presence's will that nobody can know Spectre's true face.
The mental gymnastics you're going to do would be fun to watch.

Dude, post actual feats or GTFO mah intrawebz.

OWAW Superman/WarHulk FTW

Team 1

Originally posted by Enzeru
Superman overpowered the big bang, something that killed Imperiex-Prime? Seems legit.

facepalm

That was imperiex prime's energies to begin with.

Besides that nonsense nothing in the arc comes even close to incdicating that he was actually facing the actual full energies of a big bang.

Dude, post actual feats or GTFO mah intrawebz.

Sentry solos with ease and grace.

This is a GUTTER WAR!!!! Who wants some popcorn? I've got plenty to go around. We've got two of the biggest fans of two of the most powerful heralds in their respective universes slugging it out! It don't get any better than this!jerry

War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials.

Originally posted by carver9
War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials.

Originally posted by carver9
War Hulk was above Herald level...it was even stated that he was greater in power than Celestials.

Really? That's insane where was this stated? I have grown a bit tired of hulk due to his overpowering nature, but if what you said is true than that is just ridiculous.

Its hyperbole, so it doesn't matter but my point was, he was above Herald level.

can't believe that carver's post stopped abhi and enzeru's war, why you spoil the fun