Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Because all Vitiate has to do is think? He instantly dominated Revan and Malak without even stirring from his chair. Now obviously I know that Vitiate won't successfully dominate Sidious, but obviously it gives him more time to use a more lethal attack.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Vitiate might not be as skilled a swordsman as Sidious, but the idea that someone as powerful as he is a sloth next to Sidious is silly.And the idea that Vitiate is going to put a mind whammy on someone as powerful as Sidious is equally ridiculous.
I don't think anyone here is saying that Vitiate would simply mind-dominate sidious. However, no one outright resisted it, sans semi-oneness Revan. Therefore, while Sidious will no doubt break the assault, it will have given vitiate more than enough time to utilize a more lethal attack.
Sidious, even by RotS, really doesn't have vitiate beat in the force. In combat, vitiate has only been shown to be defeat-able with a lightsaber, as Revan's (powerful) TK sent an imperial guard just half a step back, because he was simply drawing on Vitiate's power. Palpatine's only chance would be to kill him with his lightsaber, which can go either way.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Sidious, even by RotS, really doesn't have vitiate beat in the force. In combat, vitiate has only been shown to be defeat-able with a lightsaber, as Revan's (powerful) TK sent an imperial guard just half a step back, because he was simply drawing on Vitiate's power. Palpatine's only chance would be to kill him with his lightsaber, which can go either way.
Yeah, yeah he does. Sidious' TK by ROTS is way bigger than Revan's. Also Revan sends Vitiate packing twice. Once with his own lightning, the other with his DS+LS TK. Now, because of some bonehead reason, Revan decided to try and redirect the Emperor's Force Storm with his bare hands instead of his lightsaber. Sidious will make no such mistake. Sidious trying to kill Vitiate with his lightsaber can not go either way. Sidious utterly eviscerates Vitate in sabers. In the force it's likely 55/45 Vitiate's favor, perhaps 50/50. But in sabers its 95/5 Sidious. In all out its 65/35 at worst for Sidious.
Except that Revan only sent Vitiate packing once really, and that was because Vitiate was directing a telepathic assault, and Revan would have been dominated had he not done the light-dark release, which was a powerful attack unique to himself, catching Vitiate off-guard. The Emperor proceeds to get right back up after this. The second time, Revan simply redirected a lightning bolt that struck Vitiate square in the chest, causing him to land on the ground. He, again, immediately gets back up and proceeds to destroy Revan. I don't see Sidious ragdolling Vitiate in any way. If Sidious does (which I think he would) pass through the FLS, Vitiate also has the extremely potent stream of lightning that he used to easily overwhelm 4 of the most powerful jedi in the galaxy. Again, Sidious's best chance is with his lightsaber, which can go either way, ending with either Sidious slicing Vitiate to pieces, or with Vitiate overwhelming Sidious with his force abilities.
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I believe that Vitiate has the upper hand here. It is really hard to compare when both sides are extremely powerful and never faced each other. However Vitiate's story just beats Sidious'.
Vitiate was badass even as a baby. He easily killed a sith lord at the age of 10 and became one himself at the age of 13. He killed billions with a ritual when he was (only) 100 years old. He was considered a god and remained untouchable for centuries among very powerful rivals in the dark council. I don't think Sidious would survive 300 years as an emperor in that empire.
He never had a master and never bowed to any other being in the galaxy where Sidious needed training with a master to become a dark lord.
He created his own empire and left its organization to dark council. Mean while he studied and mastered the force even more and used his empire's resources for his own search for more power. So if he was so powerful as a lord of 1 planet when only 100 years old, you can imagine the power level he reached as an emperor at the age of 1300.
Sidious has lots of achievements too but it just isn't as enormous as Vitiate's story.
I would say Sidious has the upper hand at saber skills but I don't agree with people who are saying Vitiate sucks at saber fighting since we know nothing about it and it is likely that he never used his saber because he never needed it.
In a 1 on 1 scenario I would say it wouldn't even come to saber fighting as both would attack with dark side force techniques and Vitiate would best him. Vitiate's dark energy and mind control skills would help him too since we know that even Darth Jadus who is lower than Vitiate causes physical illness on people who are near him. Being in the same place with Vitiate would probably be terrifying for any average sith lord and it would certainly help against Sidious.
Also I don't think it is okay to say Sidious knows every teaching of dark side since many characters and events were written after this was said(including Vitiate).
force: Vitiate
saber: sidious
overall: Vitiate
1.Thanks!
2.I meant to say Vitiate had no master where Sidious had darth plagueis.
3. Yeah I shouldn't have written that...
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Welcome to my domainI doubt Vitiate' presence would harm palpatine tbh.
Maybe not directly but Sidious would require a defense for it nevertheless. So it is another advantage of Vitiate against him.
yeah but by that I could just as easily say that Palpatine's presence would harm Vitiate, at least if he chose to outwardly project his dark side-ness. I do believe he has been shown to do so. So basically, considering both sides' being embodiments of pure evil, I don't see either presence affecting the other.
I would say there is a little difference. Being really strong in the force doesn't mean having an effect like that. Sidious remained as a political leader and was always with non-force users in Coruscant. He had a human side. He would have to project his dar side-ness to have that effect on him where Vitiate's simple existence is enough to probably melt someone. Vitiate's original body is simply hidden somewhere and interacting with the galaxy through his voice. Even the thought of his original body and its location is scary. I just don't think Palpatine is as pure evil as Vitiate. Though this doesn't matter since Vitiate wields greater power in general.
Or does he? Does Vitiate truly have a superior grasp of the force to the extent that he'd simply overwhelm palpatine? mental domination wouldn't work, and actually contrary to popular belief, dem telepathic assaults do require effort, so he cant muster some more powerful attack while doing so. That said, Vitiate still has (very) powerful lightning and TK, as does Palpatine. Vitiate, however, is seemingly more difficult to defeat with telekinesis, and therefore I don't see Palpatine defeating him with it. With lightning, some have argued that Vitiate's is actually more powerful, and he does have those lightning storms. Palpatine has obviously his regular very powerful lightning, and force maelstrom, the latter of which would prove useful if Vitiate summons an FLS or utilizes his duplicates. Another factor, however, is that Palpatine seemingly never uses the force maelstrom ability, and therefore most likely wouldn't come into play. But then there's that last factor, palpatine's speed and lightsaber ability. Take the battle as you will, but it's closer than you think.