Vitiate is just an emotionless manchild whose afraid of dying and likes to talk about how he'll consume everything and nom the galaxy because he is the ultimate emo who wishes to be alone in a dead universe because daddy never loved him. Yup.
At least Palps had the redeeming quality of actually having emotions, even if he was similar to Vitiate in ways.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomalyYou mean Palpatine wasn't completely absurd, and Vitiate was?
Vitiate is just an emotionless manchild whose afraid of dying and likes to talk about how he'll consume everything and nom the galaxy because he is the ultimate emo who wishes to be alone in a dead universe because daddy never loved him. Yup.At least Palps had the redeeming quality of actually having emotions, even if he was similar to Vitiate in ways.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Vitiate is just an emotionless manchild whose afraid of dying and likes to talk about how he'll consume everything and nom the galaxy because he is the ultimate emo who wishes to be alone in a dead universe because daddy never loved him. Yup.At least Palps had the redeeming quality of actually having emotions, even if he was similar to Vitiate in ways.
In that case every character in SW is lame. Magical warriors playing with colored swords. Vader is biggest example of an insecure boy with daddy issues. Palpatine is also afraid to die. I know you're trolling but still at least make a little sense.
Give me an example of Palpatine's emotions? If you can prove it you will prove that Vitiate is the superior sith. The more inhuman they are because of their power the more godlike become. You're saying that Palpatine is more common who is motivated by feeble emotions while you claim that he is "better". Doesn't make sense again.
Originally posted by Oneness
What Sidious lacks in sorc class skills, he makes up for by being more devious and intelligent. Magic level is not the same as power level.
Never mentioned sorc skills. His general attitude and understanding of the force and of course his backstory is what I'm talking about. I would understand if you compare Palp to 100 years old Vitiate but not 1300 years old Vitiate.
Originally posted by Sinious
In that case every character in SW is lame. Magical warriors playing with colored swords. Vader is biggest example of an insecure boy with daddy issues. Palpatine is also afraid to die. I know you're trolling but still at least make a little sense.Give me an example of Palpatine's emotions? If you can prove it you will prove that Vitiate is the superior sith. The more inhuman they are because of their power the more godlike become. You're saying that Palpatine is more common who is motivated by feeble emotions while you claim that he is "better". Doesn't make sense again.
Glad you noticed the trolling, heh.
Emotions MAKE Sith.
'Peace is a lie, there is only Passion.' It's written in their code! Passionate emotions breed hate and anger which fuels them to do what they do. Palpatine's emotions? Plaeguis nove. I don't have an exact quote on me, because my copy is who knows where, but if I find it I'll write one down for you. But through the entire thing, Palpatine flies into angry rages, kills his family because he hates his father. Emotional problems fueled his strength. Plaeguis himself, when almost dying rage'd out and atomized people with a force wave while two of his three hearts was in danger of failing, not to mention the heavy blood loss and all.
To say that an emotionless Sith is stronger, they aren't. Look at Scourge, he cannot feel anything anymore because of the ritual done to give him immortality, and yet that doesn't make him strong, it weakens him, because all he has is the memories that drive him onwards. All that keeps him going is his hatred and anger, all he has left to feel.
To say an emotionless Sith is stronger than one with emotions is a futile argument. Vitiate isn't strong because he doesn't have them, he's strong because he just is. Naturally gifted not to mention with all the energy and stuff he drained from all those people and the life of Nathema, he's boosted to stupidly strong levels.
Originally posted by UltimateAnomaly
Glad you noticed the trolling, heh.Emotions MAKE Sith.
'Peace is a lie, there is only Passion.' It's written in their code! Passionate emotions breed hate and anger which fuels them to do what they do. Palpatine's emotions? Plaeguis nove. I don't have an exact quote on me, because my copy is who knows where, but if I find it I'll write one down for you. But through the entire thing, Palpatine flies into angry rages, kills his family because he hates his father. Emotional problems fueled his strength. Plaeguis himself, when almost dying rage'd out and atomized people with a force wave while two of his three hearts was in danger of failing, not to mention the heavy blood loss and all.
To say that an emotionless Sith is stronger, they aren't. Look at Scourge, he cannot feel anything anymore because of the ritual done to give him immortality, and yet that doesn't make him strong, it weakens him, because all he has is the memories that drive him onwards. All that keeps him going is his hatred and anger, all he has left to feel.
To say an emotionless Sith is stronger than one with emotions is a futile argument. Vitiate isn't strong because he doesn't have them, he's strong because he just is. Naturally gifted not to mention with all the energy and stuff he drained from all those people and the life of Nathema, he's boosted to stupidly strong levels.
Emotions as desires and passionate feelings do fuel their power I know.
Here we are talking about the 2 titans of the sith and obviously they are full of rage. What matters is how they experience those feelings. An apprentice or a regular sith would determine his actions according to those feelings where these 2 are motivated only with the desire of power and fear of death. So when you compare their actions according to this vision they possess, you can see Vitiate walks a superior path to infinite power. Vitiate and Palpatine use those feelings, they control them and that's what makes them so above than most other sith. Those feelings are not motivations for them but tools to reach greater power. So the more control they gain on these feeble concerns the higher sith they become. As you said Vitiate seems more emotionless which shows that he controls and uses his feelings better than Palpatine. In this sense Vitiate's inhuman attitude supports the idea of him being superior in the force.
Plagueis was also wiser than Sidious.
Wisdom about the Force was not a concern for Sidious, as the Star Wars Philosophy book states.
Sidious was naturally more powerful than Plagueis and any other Sith because of his full devotion to hate and to the Dark Side, not wisdom or esoteric acumen. The Dark Side literally gifted the Emperor with the ability to rend space time with his dark side wormholes, an ability to rend space that Plagueis had sought, it never granted that power to Vitiate. Vitiate's only gift was longevity, and that was granted to him because of a Dark Side ritual, not through the hatred and overall corruption that fueled Sidious' "unlimited power".
Even Anakin, more Force sensitive than either Vitiate or Sidious, was never a child prodigy in the dark side like the two, and as Vader his power level was stagnant because of his conflict and lack of full devotion to his hatred. He could have healed himself faster than Plageuis was healing (Shadows of The Empire), but he couldn't hold on to his hatred for long enough.
Whereas Vitiate required a ritual, Sidious' hatred and accolades alone gave power.
Vitiate and Plagueis cared about power, yes, but also dark wisdom (immortality) and unlocking secrets. Sidious, in the Book of Sith, clearly states he doesn't care to delve as deep into it as Plagueis preferring to exploit the "results" of Plagueis' discoveries in creating monsters to do his will. All Sidious really cared about was power, the dark side was a means to an end, nothing more. He did not want to annihilate the galaxy to achieve some dark nirvana, he wanted to rule it - and unlike any Sith before him, he did!
Vitiate subjugated thousands of Sith, Sidious subjugated billions of star systems. Vitiate did gain extreme amounts of Force power and immortality from his ONE ritual, he is comparable in Force power to Sidious, and his ability to diminish the Jedi's ability to use the Force is testament to his raw power.
Who would win in a fight? Sidious, his hatred and lightsaber skills would win the day.
You claim that Vitiate lacks the hatred that Sidious has. You don't know that. I think Vitiate probably has a more passionate rage inside him yet he does not show it but only uses those does feelings as he has %100 control over them. He does not cry or bark. Even when he is about to die in TOR look at his face. It's emotionless but that doesn't mean he lacks it. He simply has full control over himself and doesn't evince his nature. As a child he killed his family then tortured the villages around him for years because he enjoyed the suffering and fueled his power. He says himself that when everything dies in the galaxy he will have peace which means his pain and hatred is so great that he needs to destroy and consume everything else in the galaxy to appease himself. I don't think Palpatine experienced his hatred at this level.