Dark Phoenix vs. Odin

Originally posted by operator616

perhaps what he's saying is that there are alternate universes
and each one contains lower and higher planes of existence. That's
how i understood it. But i also said that a plane of existence can be
on a multiversal and even omniversal scale if the issue mentions it,
like in the X-O Manowar/Iron Man crossover:
http://i.imgur.com/xcpYAy3.jpg
"one omniversal plane implodes to nothingness"
So it's possible that a plane of existence can be on a more than
universal scale,

Originally posted by operator616

i was merely saying that "generally", when there's
a reference to a plane of existence, it implies that said plane is
within a singular reality)

Originally posted by operator616

Pretty sure there are instances where planes of reality and existence, are used interchangeably.

Let's also not forget that the Korvac/Starhawk battle happened in 1978....

Here's an example where a higher dimension (5th) is referred to as
a plane of existence, in Strange Tales #103 Human Torch travels to the 5th dimension:
http://i.imgur.com/Z2KUFeR.jpg
Now look closely at what Marvel Saga: the official history of the marvel universe #7, says while narrating this scene:
http://i.imgur.com/uu46zM9.jpg?1
"a portal between different planes of existence"

Originally posted by operator616

That being said, id like to also point out that, while Hickman does
indeed portray the reeds doing "surgery on the universe", higher
dimensions aren't always portrayed like that. The Strange Tales
issue for instance, doesn't portray the 5D residents as being
anything wow, this is also shown a bit later in the pages of Fantastic Four.
And (later in strange Tales) we're introduced to a 6th dimension as
well, again, nothing overly impressive about it. While this may look
outdated (because that happened in the 60s), but this is not too
different from what was shown in a 2011 mini called Vengeance.
We also have the Inbetweener create the 13th dimension as told in
an Avengers story, same thing.
Compare Marvel’s 5D to the 5D imps in DC, the 6th dimension to the
Cathexis (6D beings in DC) and you’ll realize that Marvel is a joke when compared to them.

Originally posted by operator616

Which is why i compared DC's dimensions to the "planes of
existence" shown in X-Man. They show us, as I already mentioned,
that there are even higher planes than the brilliant city in which
beings reside that don’t even notice those of the Brilliant city:
http://i.imgur.com/BPxnJ1T.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NLt5hgC.jpg
Despite the fact that those same Brilliant City residents are called
beings of "unfathomable power" at the beginning of this same issue:
http://i.imgur.com/HaICIpa.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
As much as I wish that was canon, it's not, and never was.

Ok. But opr, Korvac/Starhawk 1978 ... Human Torch/Strange Tales 1962.

Which is why I originally stated that Nightmare's universe is higher than 616 or even the 6th Dimension, and Nightmare's really a nobody.
I pointed out the Reed incident to give your opinion possibility.

All (megaversal) crossovers happen on earth 7642 (2011 handbook):

http://i.imgur.com/lsiDLq7.jpg?1

So while the characters may be alternate versions, the same concepts are used across all the marvel omniverse (regardless of the earth designation)
But that particular crossover also involves earth 616 (go to the comments part).

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/earthcrossoverall.htm

The Strange Tales issue was in 1962, but the Marvel saga/ official history of MU, was in 1986, and that's the one which specifically says that it's a "plane of existence".

I know.

Originally posted by Epicurus
Based on hyperbole: Phoenix.

Based on actual feats: Odin.

Based on writer's statements - Phoenix BLINKSTOMPS
Based on actual feats - Phoenix BLINKSTOMPS

a statement is either true or false. Writer's statement is absolute truth. hyperboles are false statement.

If you aren't aware of his feats then just STFU. Phoenix is 2nd most powerful in marvel comics as stated by watcher who knows all, sees all and he was talking to us(readers) so its not a lie. It Doesn't matter if there are contradictions as its fiction, it doesn't need to make sense.

Before you ask for scans, i would say Do more research yourself. I am not going to provide you scans since i don't care about retarded phoenix haters like mr master or you.

after reading watcher's statement, i made my mind and i am not going to read any replies against it so don't bother to post.