Galen Marek and Darth Vader vs. Revan and Darth Bane

Started by Nephthys4 pages
Originally posted by The_Tempest
By whom?

Hayden Blackman.

And don't ask me to track down specific quotes because I ****ing know you know its true and I'm not humoring you.

Quote and source, pl0x?

No.

I'm afraid I can't accept this to be the case without proper citation. 😬

oh no

i think i might cry

Your naked hostility and defensiveness suggests that you probably are.

Team 1 wins.

The whole point of the Force Unleashed is that "unleashed" part, as has been said many times. They were going for super exaggerated Force use in crazy ways we'd never seen before.

Oh, well if we're determining that the Force is "exaggerated" simply because Starkiller uses it differently than do other Force adepts in the movies, then we'll be widening the scope to include other things. Like KotORs I and II. TOTJ. DE. FOTJ. The Bane Trilogy. TOR. DNT. LOTF.

🙄

Those are not mentioned as exaggerations though. Its merely you thinking they're different in depiction and should be nerfed or something dumb like that. The Force Unleashed was said to be about characters using the Force in more powerful ways than we'd seen it before:

"In a meeting, someone asked me “how powerful is ‘unleashed’?” and I responded with something like: “Powerful enough to use the Force to pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky…”

Originally posted by Nephthys
Those are not mentioned as exaggerations though.

And if your inability to provide evidence is any indication, neither has The Force Unleashed. 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
Its merely [b]you thinking they're different in depiction and should be nerfed or something dumb like that. The Force Unleashed was said to be about characters using the Force in more powerful ways than we'd seen it before:

"In a meeting, someone asked me “how powerful is ‘unleashed’?” and I responded with something like: “Powerful enough to use the Force to pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky…” [/B]

Powerful enough to use the Force to:

Collapse a twenty-meter tall temple?

Disintegrate people?

Raze planets?

Destroy starfleets?

Teleport?

Time-travel?

Become invisible?

Cause supernovae?

We can play this game all day. But you haven't actually proven your case.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
And if your inability to provide evidence is any indication, neither has The Force Unleashed. 😉

Because I'm not playing that game with you. You know this has been said and I'm not wearying myself just for your benefit.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Powerful enough to use the Force to:

Collapse a twenty-meter tall temple?

Disintegrate people?

Raze planets?

Destroy starfleets?

Teleport?

Time-travel?

Become invisible?

Cause supernovae?

We can play this game all day. But you haven't actually proven your case.

You can play it all you like, its still canonically noted as an exaggeration of the standard depiction while those are not. Canon > Fanon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because I'm not playing that game with you. You know this has been said and I'm not wearying myself just for your benefit.

You weary yourself for my benefit all the time. Why is this time such a burden? Especially if the quote exists and has been posted here before.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You can play it all you like, its still canonically noted as an exaggeration of the standard depiction while those are not. Canon > Fanon.

Where is it canonically noted to be an exaggeration? 😉

Interesting. One of the Dread Masters has been alive since the Sith Empire rediscovered Dromund Kaas.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
You weary yourself for my benefit all the time. Why is this time such a burden? Especially if the quote exists and has been posted here before.

Because the wookiepedia link is broken and google isn't getting anything. Any more investment in finding it would become tedious, and I'm not bothered enough for that just to prove a point I know you know is true.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because the wookiepedia link is broken and google isn't getting anything. Any more investment in finding it would become tedious,

Ah, so you can't find it?

Originally posted by Nephthys
and I'm not bothered enough for that just to prove a point I know you know is true.

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. I believe TFU is as exaggerated as all the other examples I provided, though. 👆

Originally posted by DanBrown19118
Interesting. One of the Dread Masters has been alive since the Sith Empire rediscovered Dromund Kaas.

Further showing their power and worth to the Emperor

To be completely fair, Marek's strengths lie in the force. He seemed to get beaten in almost every saber fight he participated in, and only won through superior force ability. Revan does however, have the feat of easily defeating a dark honor guard drawing on the strength of the Emperor, while Meetra and Scourge failed to do so easily (Scourge considered an "expert swordsman" and Meetra being able to learn and excel at lightsaber forms by just observing them). Marek might have an advantage but it'd be small, and the only way he'd successfully kill Revan imo is with TK.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Ah, so you can't find it?

I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. I believe TFU is as exaggerated as all the other examples I provided, though. 👆

I could find it, but low-effort attempts did not bear fruit.

/ignores feigned ignorance.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I could find it, but low-effort attempts did not bear fruit.

/ignores feigned ignorance.

/ignores hilarious bias over what is and what is not exaggerated

damn format error

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To be completely fair, Marek's strengths lie in the force. He seemed to get beaten in almost every saber fight he participated in, and only won through superior force ability

Yes, but given that Marek is a practitioner of Juyo and therefore "a high-end master of multiple forms," we can conclude that this is not the result of lackluster skill but the formidable talent of his enemies.

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Revan does however, have the feat of easily defeating a dark honor guard drawing on the strength of the Emperor, while Meetra and Scourge failed to do so easily (Scourge considered an "expert swordsman" and Meetra being able to learn and excel at lightsaber forms by just observing them). Marek might have an advantage but it'd be small, and the only way he'd successfully kill Revan imo is with TK.

Feat-wise, Marek annihilates Revan.

But I also believe we shouldn't make conclusions on naked feats. I'd say it comes down to Marek possessing greater power and Revan possessing greater skill. It's a good fight either way. I'm not certain I'd even give Marek the nod over Revan. The only reason I'm saying team 1 wins is because I put Vader over Bane.

Again, TFU is canonically said to be exaggerated.

You decided the other ones were yourself.

Canon.

Fanon.

Canon >>> Fanon.

Unless they are canonically said to be exaggerated, you saying they are is completely worthless in an argument as your opinion amounts to f*ck plus all.