Galen Marek and Darth Vader vs. Revan and Darth Bane

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, TFU is canonically said to be exaggerated.

Where?

Originally posted by Nephthys
You decided the other ones were yourself.

Canon.

Fanon.

Canon >>> Fanon.

Unless they are canonically said to be exaggerated, you saying they are is completely worthless in an argument as your opinion amounts to f*ck plus all.

Nah, I'm merely applying the same standard you do when determining what is and what is not exaggerated. But I'm not being selective about it. 😉

Also, thanks for saying my opinion amounts to "all." stoned

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Yes, but given that Marek is a practitioner of Juyo and therefore "a high-end master of multiple forms," we can conclude that this is not the result of lackluster skill but the formidable talent of his enemies.

Feat-wise, Marek annihilates Revan.

But I also believe we shouldn't make conclusions on naked feats. I'd say it comes down to Marek possessing greater power and Revan possessing greater skill. It's a good fight either way. I'm not certain I'd even give Marek the nod over Revan. The only reason I'm saying team 1 wins is because I put Vader over Bane.

So I hope we can conclude that Revan and Marek are at least on-par lightsaber combatants, can we not? Imo Marek's skill set is not good to combat Revan. His lightning can be blocked by Revan's masterful application of Tutaminis, so really the only way galen can legitimately overwhelm Revan is with TK.

Mareks lightsaber skills were said to be near perfect in his TFU profile. I'm not willing to put the near featless Revan on par with him.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Nah, I'm merely applying the same standard you do when determining what is and what is not exaggerated.

The standard I'm applying is that TFU is said to be exaggerated therefore I determin it is.

Totally the same, right? 8^y

so he was almost a master? Shows why he was overwhelmed so many times in lightsaber combat

Has it ever been explained if Vitiate's guards' skills or physical abilities are enhanced by him?

lemme pull up the profile on dark honor guards

Dunno. Not in any source I have access to.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dunno. Not in any source I have access to.

You are a particularly disgusting breed of useless.

Revan has a Guardsman draw on Vits power to protect himself from Revans push and thats it. You've actually read the book so if more is said, you'd know.

Well the only thing I remember from their profile is that they are the "ultimate non-force sensitive beings in the Empire" and were "feared by the dark council for their martial prowess." When drawing on Vitiate they are virtually immune to force abilities, ergo you are forced to rely on your lightsaber, though I didn't find anything stating their physical capabilities are enhanced.

I don't need you to tell me what I've already read, fool. I need you to tell me what I have yet to read.

Do not fail me again.

BTW interesting thing on vitiate:

http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/Intrepid37/media/Vitiate/vitiateneedsprep_zps4acd840b.png.html

Did you read the part where he says its completely non-canon?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Did you read the part where he says its completely non-canon?

👆 good to see you agree
i'm arguing over at ROTJ Vader's forum on a vitiate vs. Caedus thread

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
BTW interesting thing on vitiate:

http://s1349.photobucket.com/user/Intrepid37/media/Vitiate/vitiateneedsprep_zps4acd840b.png.html

Yeah, Intrepid already provided this a while back. It's what sealed the deal for me, validating my 2 year old conclusion about Vitiate's abilities.

Because a dude saying he's not sure about what the canon technique is sure equals conclusive.

Especially considering that he said prime vitiate cannot use it on the go (even though he used in on Revan), and that he's used it to mind dominate 8000 sith lords long, long before his prime. Admittedly he probably prepped for this, but to say that vitiate in his prime would be unable to use it on the go sounds very odd, to say the least.

A dude being a guy who wrote one of the 3 sources in which the character directly appears and worked on the game itself.

Karpyshyn roots his answer in the game, I rooted my answer in Revan, and there's been nothing offered to contradict it.

It's hilarious that you jumped ship on the issue and the author confirms I was right the whole time.

The only thing confirmed is you flexing your formidable mental handicap like a heavyweight champ.

It also pleases me how angry you invariably get when Karpyshyn's quote comes up. 😂