Originally posted by The Sorrow
WB was the extension of Hulk's power in that arc so how is he not?
Whoever came up with the ruling created the "difference" because it definitely didn't happen in any comicbook.Probably because anyone with eyes can see in the title of the thread that one of the contestants is handicapped.
We use it to differentiate between power levels. Hulk has had classifications before, this is just another one to promote fair debate.
Originally posted by carver9
Crazy thing about this is, WBH, was in the WWH arc. Its not like he made appearance after the arc.
No we didnt.
Originally posted by carver9
He doesn't have a limit to his strength...Doomsday does though.
Prove it.
Originally posted by -Pr-
No we didnt.Prove it.
It's just that he held back. Something that wouldn't be a consideration in normal forum fights.
The comics do not show any distinction between "WBH" and "WWH" in terms of character, mentality, powers or anything, merely in context.
All through WWH, Green Scar was mindful of the frailty of others, he pulled _all_ his punches, never beat anyone beyond their capacity to heal and basically avoided all collateral damage.
Once in the Dark Dimension, he made sure that there was no chance of endangering innocents and then he started to let lose.
The character remained the same, read the comics, you'll see.
What I am saying is...when people say WWH, per the rules, we can only use the Hulk during that arc. What people are forgetting is, even if we use the Hulk during the World War Hulk arc...he did THIS during that arc which contradict the fact of us not being able to use WBH.
http://s118.photobucket.com/user/bigbran1/media/wwh033.jpg.html
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh035.jpg
It doesn't matter to me, I think Savage Hulk and WWH is enough to beat Doomsday. In regards to WWH, Pak made it clear that he doesn't think anyone short of Galactus could stop him.
Originally posted by carver9
What I am saying is...when people say WWH, per the rules, we can only use the Hulk during that arc. What people are forgetting is, even if we use the Hulk during the World War Hulk arc...he did THIS during that arc which contradict the fact of us not being able to use WBH.http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh034.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh035.jpgIt doesn't matter to me, I think Savage Hulk and WWH is enough to beat Doomsday. In regards to WWH, Pak made it clear that he doesn't think anyone short of Galactus could stop him.
What you and Janus are missing is that there was a trigger that caused Hulk to do that. Who's going to step-up and tell why Hulk will be triggered like that fighting against a stranger like Doomsday.
By the way Carter, still waiting.
Originally posted by Delta1938
Carver, before the Kryptonite-X power-up, Superman restrained Blaze in a dimension that was weakening him.http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Strength/Relative%20Strength/Miscellaneous/Blaze
Blaze would show to be strong enough to make Black Adam her b!tch with one hand and to punk Shazam after he sucker-punched her.
http://s1199.photobucket.com/user/Delta1938/library/Comparing/Blaze/Shazam%20Wielders
What has World War Hulk done to compare, buddy?
By the way, still waiting for you to message me your gamertag. 😠
Still waiting for that friend request, too. But if your debating "skills" are a reflection of your ability to play online, I don't want you on my team. 😛
Originally posted by Delta1938
What you and Janus are missing is that there was a trigger that caused Hulk to do that. Who's going to step-up and tell why Hulk will be triggered like that fighting against a stranger like Doomsday.
He instantly went "WBH" several times, whilst on Earth, but kept the power output from destroying the planet.
There is no trigger necessary, just read the comics, he is that powerful if he wants to be (and most likely, far more powerful if he ever needs to be).
This is the same Hulk who held a planet together, whose power stores whilst at "WBH" levels during the closing of WWH, were siphoned off by the Intelligencia, and then used to empower an _army_ of Rulk level beings, to boost dozens of heroes into Thor like strength-levels (SpiderHulk and Thulk could actually have a fight, without one of them being splattered instantly)...
The only distinction is one of convenience and it has no comic-based validity.
Originally posted by janus77
What "trigger"? you mean like deciding it is necessary to put a little more force into a blow? Hulk beat up 1000x amped Wendigo & Bi-Beast, he just upped the amount of force he displayed.He instantly went "WBH" several times, whilst on Earth, but kept the power output from destroying the planet.
There is no trigger necessary, just read the comics, he is that powerful if he wants to be (and most likely, far more powerful if he ever needs to be).
This is the same Hulk who held a planet together, whose power stores whilst at "WBH" levels during the closing of WWH, were siphoned off by the Intelligencia, and then used to empower an _army_ of Rulk level beings, to boost dozens of heroes into Thor like strength-levels (SpiderHulk and Thulk could actually have a fight, without one of them being splattered instantly)...
The only distinction is one of convenience and it has no comic-based validity.
I'm referring to what happened before Carter's scans. After Rick was nearly killed, finding-out Miek I think it was had been responsible.
Originally posted by Delta1938
I'm referring to what happened before Carter's scans. After Rick was nearly killed, finding-out Miek I think it was had been responsible.
There is no need for some sort of plot-contrivance to bring about higher end power displays, he can do that naturally. "WBH" is just the label attached to those displays so it follows that he was always "WBH capable".
Originally posted by janus77
And there have been many instances since, as well as his feat of holding Sakaar together, that demonstrate that he can amp it up instantly, when really necessary.There is no need for some sort of plot-contrivance to bring about higher end power displays, he can do that naturally. "WBH" is just the label attached to those displays so it follows that he was always "WBH capable".
So, you're just repeating yourself?
Originally posted by Delta1938
So, you're just repeating yourself?
No, I'm just saying that you are wrong to assert that the circumstances are relevant when it comes to "WBH".
There is no need for a "trigger", Doomsday will be dead before Hulk has to amp. And if not, then the annoyance of Doomsday will be enough to convince Hulk to step it up a little.
Either way, no need for some special "trigger".
Originally posted by janus77
Hope it helps 😉No, I'm just saying that you are wrong to assert that the circumstances are relevant when it comes to "WBH".
There is no need for a "trigger", Doomsday will be dead before Hulk has to amp. And if not, then the annoyance of Doomsday will be enough to convince Hulk to step it up a little.
Either way, no need for some special "trigger".
You're simply repeating something that comes down to "there's no trigger 'cuz I said so." You may be correct that there's no trigger, but your argument has come off as nothing but because you say there's no need to.
And.....you think Hulk will kill Doomsday before getting to WB level. El. Oh. El. Superman was more powerful than in their first encounter, and Doomsday's superiority over him was greater. But hey, if Doomsday survived Entropy, regardless of how brief it was, then nothing WB Hulk can do will scratch him, and since Doomsday has already adapted to energy beings and was shown to immediately adapt to time being frozen around him, he'll simply adapt a way to feed on Hulk's energy while disrupting his powers. Fun to make arguments like this, huh?
Originally posted by janus77
Carver's correct. "WBH" was Green Scar all along. From Planet Hulk to World War Hulk and on, Green Scar could - at any moment - have done the things that he did during HOTM.It's just that he held back. Something that wouldn't be a consideration in normal forum fights.
The comics do not show any distinction between "WBH" and "WWH" in terms of character, mentality, powers or anything, merely in context.
All through WWH, Green Scar was mindful of the frailty of others, he pulled _all_ his punches, never beat anyone beyond their capacity to heal and basically avoided all collateral damage.
Once in the Dark Dimension, he made sure that there was no chance of endangering innocents and then he started to let lose.
The character remained the same, read the comics, you'll see.
I have read them. So has bada. We both disagree.
Certainly it seems quite puzzling that both Planet Hulk and WWH clearly state that he is the "World Breaker" and all through WWH the writer makes it perfectly clear that he is holding back by choice.
I don't see anything in the comics supporting the distinction, I accept that you have one for KMC Vs forums, but Carver is correct, as far as I can see.
Lol...people tend to forget that a fraction of WWH power before even going World Breaker empowered a group of people to Herald+ statuses. Crazy thing about it is, one of the individuals that received the amp was knocking out skyfathers...hell, he killed a skyfather and again, he only received a fraction of Hulks power. This doesn't include Hulks inside withstanding a 100+ Hercs. Hulk piss on Herald levels...hell, a small dose of his power creates Heralds and trans tier characters. Now I see why Pak said the things he said about WWH. Doomsday gets ripped in half.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I have read them. So has bada. We both disagree.
Really? Because the armor that he wore was from Sakaar. You sure you didn't see any kind of resemblance between the two? WW Hulk, and WB Hulk are the very same character. They even referred to him as being the World Breaker when he was on Sakaar. You and Bada are incorrect.
Honestly, don't know why we ars fussing about this. What's done is done. I don't see anything wrong with splitting the two, tbh. Lets not pretend like WWH isn't powerful. I just think that Greenscar aka WWH fts extended outside of his run against the hero's, that's all. Consistently using WBH as an argument would take away from his other personas. What fun would it be using the best Hulk (WWH) and every time he's on the losing end, someone switch the argument to WBH. There should be a seperation bc overall, its better. That's just my two cents on it...and the rule has been put into play anyways, so why argue against it?
Originally posted by Stoic
Really? Because the armor that he wore was from Sakaar. You sure you didn't see any kind of resemblance between the two? WW Hulk, and WB Hulk are the very same character. They even referred to him as being the World Breaker when he was on Sakaar. You and Bada are incorrect.
You're not listening, or you're not reading the rulings we put in place.
We separate them for the purposes of the debate. Same way we separate several other characters for the purposes of debate.
We do that, because otherwise threads would become redundant.
What's the problem? Where did we say they aren't the same character?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Wrong about what? Classifying them?You guys really want us to just ban guys like Hulk, Flash, Thor and Superman from the forum? Because that's what happens if we remove classifications like this.
There is a KMC VS position and there is a comic-book fact.
KMC VS-wise, you wish to have a short-hand for a limited, modest Hulk that can be used in fights, because without it there really is no point to 80% of the threads with him. He'd simply snap his fingers and obliterate the opposition. As such you choose to use "WWH" as the term.
That's what you seem to mean, when you go into the matter.
What you've stated though, is factually erroneous and will always cause problems because of it. You state that Hulk was indeed in the limited and modest capacity that you call "WWH", during the events of WWH.
Marvel states otherwise, presenting instead a character who on Sakaar is continually called "The World Breaker" and Green Scar. Who demonstrates power enough to hold together a world threatening to explode (both literally and figuratively, that was his role on Sakaar) and who is often feared not for the power he displays but for the power that lies within him.
At no point do they delineate the "WBH" 'character' from the Green Scar. In fact, they take great pains to drive home the message that he could destroy the planet if he wanted to, that he was keeping it all in check, holding it all back.
Without any basis for the supposition that "WBH" was a separate character/externally-amped-character from Green Scar, there is no grounds to assert that "WWH" (the KMC VS character) is at all any different from the "WBH" character.
Neither identity exists in the comics, the latter only exists as an appellation given to Green Scar and a sign of the power that he wields. Whilst the former is a misnomer because WWH is the name of an arc, featuring the Green Scar iteration of Hulk.
At no time, whilst on Earth, does he receive any power-ups/power-downs or have any mental obstacles to his powers removed/added. His body and mind remain within the normal parameters of a single coherent character that he has been since first landing on Sakaar.
So, there's nothing that has been added or changed to Green Scar, that makes any difference when it comes to his capacity to be "WBH" mode.
What would be better - at least more accurate and clear about intent - is to state that "WWH" (a character existing purely in the KMC VS forum only), is not a separate character but the same Green Scar operating within parameters derived from a range of feats, taken from the beginning of the WWH arc to just after he defeats Sentry but before he starts to lose control and go World Breaker on Earth.
With that, you would effectively have a Hulk who could reasonably tussle with Thor (though WWH would win every time) and other heralds and monsters that make up the usual KMC VS fare.
