Doomsday vs WW Hulk

Where did I say that when I wasn't alluding to our ruling?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Where did I say that when I wasn't alluding to our ruling?

You asserted otherwise, but weren't clear whether you were referring to the KMC VS made "WWH" or the Hulk of World War Hulk arc, which Carver was talking about.

I replied that Carver was correct and that indeed there was no "WWH" but merely a Green Scar who was always holding back. That "WBH" was merely another name for him, signalling the threat and power he represented.

Later you seemed to assert that WWH was a classification of convenience (the KMC VS character that I mention in my last post) but again, it's not clear whether that was your intent or not.

Originally posted by janus77
Carver was talking about Hulk during the WWH arc, having "WBH" powers.

You asserted otherwise, but weren't clear whether you were referring to the KMC VS made "WWH" or the Hulk of World War Hulk arc, which Carver was talking about.

I replied that Carver was correct and that indeed there was no "WWH" but merely a Green Scar who was always holding back. That "WBH" was merely another name for him, signalling the threat and power he represented.

Later you seemed to assert that WWH was a classification of convenience (the KMC VS character that I mention in my last post) but again, it's not clear whether that was your intent or not.

Oh, at first, I was disagreeing with Carver, because no, I believe there's a clear distinction in power between Hulk at the levels we saw him at in WWH, and what came after (and what was hinted at near the end of the arc).

That's completely separate from any ruling made on the character though, which was done months ago and seems to have been ignored by everyone.

I don't necessarily agree with all of what you wrote on the previous page, but that doesn't really matter, as I'm speaking now about how they're treated. Terms like WWH, WBH, Savage etc, are terms based on the power depictions of a character during an arc, not the character themselves on some deeper level.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wrong about what? Classifying them?

You guys really want us to just ban guys like Hulk, Flash, Thor and Superman from the forum? Because that's what happens if we remove classifications like this.

abriged version: people of sakaar have a legend about a savior and long story short within that 1st arc hulk is named both "green scar" and "worldbreaker", there he gains the totality of the power he ever shows in the next several arc. then wwh (part 2) occurs and people start losing their small minds calling him "WWH" and other dumb shit.

look, you can't paint hulk with the same brush as the sentry or something. everything hulk would even exhibit powerwise he gained from the warp core breach and even if you want to say his personality changed well he addressed that he was just holding back in manhattan and vegas, then goes on to unleash greater power after

Maybe a name other than "WWH" would help for flagging up the appearance of a Hulk limited to the feats of the WWH arc up until he began to go WBH.

WWH is easy to understand as shorthand for the Hulk that appeared in WWH, which ofcourse is Green Scar, the same Hulk as in Planet Hulk and post WWH in WWHs etc etc.

Maybe call "WWH" "Carver's Hulk"?

And you can label a non-limited Green Scar "The tears of The Houses of El and Odin" TTOTHOEAO or Theo for short, because you know that'd happen! ✅

Originally posted by psycho gundam
again: with hulk it's false dichotomy when trying to separate "WBH" from "WWH".

abriged version: people of sakaar have a legend about a savior and long story short within that 1st arc hulk is named both "green scar" and "worldbreaker", there he gains the totality of the power he ever shows in the next several arc. then wwh (part 2) occurs and people start losing their small minds calling him "WWH" and other dumb shit.

look, you can't paint hulk with the same brush as the sentry or something. everything hulk would even exhibit powerwise he gained from the warp core breach and even if you want to say his personality changed well he addressed that he was just holding back in manhattan and vegas, then goes on to unleash greater power after

I know all this. It's just not relevant to the ruling that was made. We're talking power levels. Why is that such an issue? You want to change the names or something?

Originally posted by janus77
Maybe a name other than "WWH" would help for flagging up the appearance of a Hulk limited to the feats of the WWH arc up until he began to go WBH.

WWH is easy to understand as shorthand for the Hulk that appeared in WWH, which ofcourse is Green Scar, the same Hulk as in Planet Hulk and post WWH in WWHs etc etc.

Maybe call "WWH" "Carver's Hulk"?

And you can label a non-limited Green Scar "The tears of The Houses of El and Odin" TTOTHOEAO or Theo for short, because you know that'd happen! ✅

Look, i'm sorry if this seems blunt, but this isn't up for discussion.

We're not trying to alter the Hulk or anything like that. We're not trying to sully his good name. We're just trying to make sure that when people make threads, they know what Hulk they're going to be seeing. Separating power levels for the purposes of threads was deemed the best option, and "WWH" was chosen because it's the most common, well-known term that could be used for such a depiction. Same with WBH.

"WWH" will hold back against a nearly mindless monster in a featureless battle arena devoid of bystanders when that was the sole reason he bluffed the war on earth in the first place........ it's not like when those factors were likewise removed as they are on kmc he shat on his opponents for the most part.

this whole thing is facepalm worthy

Originally posted by -Pr-
I know all this. It's just not relevant to the ruling that was made. We're talking power levels. Why is that such an issue? You want to change the names or something? Look, i'm sorry if this seems blunt, but this isn't up for discussion.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he used as much power as was necessary to beat who he wanted to beat, doomsday + the scenario stands a good chance of making him at least glow

So what do you want me to do, then?

What do you want changed about Hulk?

Instead of whining about how it's facepalm worthy, how about offering a suggestion.

^ It's evident what people want. Don't make statements like this:

Originally posted by -Pr-
WWH isn't being neutered.

Originally posted by ODG
^ It's evident what people want. Don't make statements like this: The comic character as he is in the comics is being neutered in the forums. To promote this amorphous "fair debate" protocol. That's the prerogative of the mods. Just don't confuse people with statements that could easily be construed as utter misinterpretations of the comics.

Enlighten me then, please.

They wouldn't be confused if they wouldn't jump the gun and would just be straightforward. Not rehashing the same ****ing argument from months ago would also help.

So what, is World Breaker Hulk being treated as separate from World War Hulk? If so, that would be incorrect. World Breaker is Green Scar. All of his feats are applicable for World War Hulk because it's literally the same being. Hulk had just gained incredible control of his strength and had such a high base, that even when calm he could access power noticeably greater then most elite herald strongmen. It's not rocket science.

This isn't like Superman taking a Sun Dip. It's like Superman dropping mental blocks and going all out.

Guys, the mods are going to be using separate classifications for the Hulk during the WWH arc, and the one that came after.

It's that simple.

if you want different names to be used? Fine, we'll consider it. They're still being kept separate though, and that isn't up for discussion.

WWH "is" the Hulk from WWH [the arc], but limited to the power-level displayed within the arc, up to and just before he began to lose control of himself and go "WBH".

WWH's power-levels are as inferred from the feats shown within the above referenced arc-period, and do not bear any relation to the implied, stated, previously or later demonstrated or otherwise inferable power-levels of the character "Green Scar" whose feats are the superset of those which represent "WWH".

Originally posted by -Pr-
Enlighten me then, please.

They wouldn't be confused if they wouldn't jump the gun and would just be straightforward. Not rehashing the same ****ing argument from months ago would also help.

Then you, the mod, ended up contradicting him and flatly stating WWH was not being neutered. But he is being neutered (for the purposes of discussion). You shouldn't have to defend your rulings incessantly. And in a perfect world, you never should at all. But saying stuff like that, even in an offhand manner, makes your mod ruling look misinformed -- as if you thought there were some comics-driven reason behind delineating between WWH and WBH. Which is why you've got several posters lecturing you about storyline details and acting like you haven't read the comics.

There is no reason in the comics to think that WWH can't go WBH when he needs or wants to. There is a reason in these forums to act that way though. That's the end of the story. No?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, the mods are going to be using separate classifications for the Hulk during the WWH arc, and the one that came after.

It's that simple.

if you want different names to be used? Fine, we'll consider it. They're still being kept separate though, and that isn't up for discussion.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, the mods are going to be using separate classifications for the Hulk during the WWH arc, and the one that came after.

It's that simple.

if you want different names to be used? Fine, we'll consider it. They're still being kept separate though, and that isn't up for discussion.

I don't get it, so World Breaker feats can't be used for World War Hulk? Why?

Are you choosing to separate them by eras? Otherwise it's like saying Superman's feats while he's angry need to be separate from normal Superman. It's a nonsensical distinction using the character as explained.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So what, is World Breaker Hulk being treated as separate from World War Hulk? If so, that would be incorrect. World Breaker is Green Scar. All of his feats are applicable for World War Hulk because it's literally the same being. Hulk had just gained incredible control of his strength and had such a high base, that even when calm he could access power noticeably greater then most elite herald strongmen. It's not rocket science.

This isn't like Superman taking a Sun Dip. It's like Superman dropping mental blocks and going all out.

WHAT???!!!

This will be like Superman dropping his mental blocks

It is a character going all out, not holding back

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, the mods are going to be using separate classifications for the Hulk during the WWH arc, and the one that came after.

It's that simple.

if you want different names to be used? Fine, we'll consider it. They're still being kept separate though, and that isn't up for discussion.

Calling a character WWH != saying that character is Green Scar during the period of WWH.

Giving WWH all of Green Scar's feats during that period != being Green Scar during that period.

Green Scar was holding back (to staggering levels), during the whole arc, so in a VS fight, you would be perfectly fine to say "he'll just kick it up a notch".

"WWH" (as defined by KMC VS) just doesn't have that "notch" to kick it up to, he is neither as soft and gentle as the Green Scar that fought Caeira nor as powerful as the one that almost destroyed the Earth with a casual footstep.

He is, to all intents and purposes, a separate character from Hulk (though he is based on a set of Hulk's exploits).

That's the difference.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
WHAT???!!!

This will be like Superman dropping his mental blocks

It is a character going all out, not holding back

What? You aren't making sense.

Hulk didn't go all out and unleash his full strength because he was holding back (As explained). It's a different way of phrasing the same mechanism.