Create a character to defeat mine.

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Ahh, you could indeed argue that. However, someone flying in Marvel and DC is common. I think the easy way we can define all reality warpers, is using cheat codes to the actual fabric of the panels of the page.

So when Flash breaks the time barrier, that's reality warping? So Flash is a reality warper?

When the Hulk grabs intangible beings, that's also a cheat code (getting stronger =/= being able to break the laws of physics, yet, here he is). So the Hulk is a reality warper now?

Like I said, post proof that I am using reality warpers. If you can't, then you alas concede defeat.

Face it, you have played the game of pwns, and you have lost.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So when Flash breaks the time barrier, that's reality warping? So Flash is a reality warper?

When the Hulk grabs intangible beings, that's also a cheat code (getting stronger =/= being able to break the laws of physics, yet, here he is). So the Hulk is a reality warper now?

Like I said, post proof that I am using reality warpers. If you can't, then you alas concede defeat.

Face it, you have played the game of pwns, and you have lost.

I think the fact the nature of the reality on the panel changes is enough evidence reality has been warped. If you are unable to comprehended my argument as I am beginning to believe, nothing I will say can change your opinion. Unfortunately, I think you lack the imagination to understand, that, by going outside of the comic panel and changing the events within it you have altered the on panel reality. This is unfortunate and almost makes talking with you pointless. :-(

In other words - you have no proof.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In other words - you have no proof.

Just the on panel proof you provided, but you don't understand you did that either; do you son?

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Just the on panel proof you provided, but you don't understand you did that either; do you son?

Nowhere in the proof I provided was it described as reality warping. Which is what you forbade.

I'm not sure which part are you not comprehending? All I asked was for some proof from you that the things my named characters did was, in comic book terms, filed under 'reality warping'.

That's all you have to prove.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nowhere in the proof I provided was it described as reality warping. Which is what you forbade.

I'm not sure which part are you not comprehending? All I asked was for some proof from you that the things my named characters did was, in comic book terms, filed under 'reality warping'.

That's all you have to prove.

You showed them leaving there reality going to another and invoking change in the original from an externally derived source. That's reality warping, it's no different to prayer (if prayer really worked).

You're lost, I understand. We are dealing with concepts beyond you.

No, that's dimensional travel.

Try again.

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
You showed them leaving there reality going to another and invoking change in the original from an externally derived source. That's reality warping, it's no different to prayer (if prayer really worked).

You're lost, I understand. We are dealing with concepts beyond you.

Excellent. So next time Thor prays to Odin, he is warping reality.

I shall add Thor to my list of reality warpers. Along with Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Hulk, and the Flash.

Are you still not able to grasp what my point is? According to your definition of reality warpers, the characters named in this post are all reality warpers.

Of course, a quick option to deal with your 'Superman' is Squirrel Girl.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, that's dimensional travel.

Try again.

Um, dimensional travel is reality warping.... You haven't studied any Physics have you? You have to warp dimensions to travel between them.

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Um, dimensional travel is reality warping.... You haven't studied any Physics have you? You have to warp dimensions to travel between them.

Cool.

Green Lantern is a reality warper.

So is Nova.

Eden, the Spot, Cloak, Nightcrawler.....

So according to you, Spiderman regularly beats a reality warper (the Spot)

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Um, dimensional travel is reality warping.... You haven't studied any Physics have you? You have to warp dimensions to travel between them.

Great, so now guys like Read, Iron-man, Nightcrawler, Spot, Cloak and Flash are reality warpers according to your logic.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Excellent. So next time Thor prays to Odin, he is warping reality.

I shall add Thor to my list of reality warpers. Along with Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Hulk, and the Flash.

Are you still not able to grasp what my point is? According to your definition of reality warpers, the characters named in this post are all reality warpers.

Of course, a quick option to deal with your 'Superman' is Squirrel Girl.

Um, if you ask the Universe to grant you a wish... yes you are changing reality and yes you are lost. Ha, Squirrell girl warps reality off panel... 😉

No they are not all reality warpers as the nature of the comic reality has a different set of "natural" rules, which allow for flight etc. It is the changing the nature of the panelled Universe that is probably the truest reality warping in comics.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

Green Lantern is a reality warper.

So is Nova.

Eden, the Spot, Cloak, Nightcrawler.....

So according to you, Spiderman regularly beats a reality warper (the Spot)

Obviously levels of reality warping exist and why can't technology warp reality. Superman himself has warped reality with tech ala Final Crisis.

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Um, if you ask the Universe to grant you a wish... yes you are changing reality and yes you are lost. Ha, Squirrell girl warps reality off panel... 😉

No they are not all reality warpers as the nature of the comic reality has a different set of "natural" rules, which allow for flight etc. It is the changing the nature of the panelled Universe that is probably the truest reality warping in comics.

They're all characters who ask external sources to grant them wishes (WW, Marvel and Thor). Or dimension hop (Flash, Hulk/Banner).

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Obviously levels of reality warping exist and why can't technology warp reality. Superman himself has warped reality with tech ala Final Crisis.

Great, per your rules...Superman isn't allowed in this thread.

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Obviously levels of reality warping exist and why can't technology warp reality. Superman himself has warped reality with tech ala Final Crisis.

So you agree with me, they are all reality warpers? Cool. Let's add Iron Man as a reality warper, hell, even Beast can now be a reality warper. Hell, Spiderman in the symbiote suit was 'reality warping' according to your definition, as he had pockets created for his gear.

Batman has also crossed dimensions, so he's a reality warper too. As has Mr Terrific.

I never said tech can't warp reality, not sure where you got that from??

Originally posted by Silent Master
Great, per your rules...Superman isn't allowed in this thread.

Lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you agree with me, they are all reality warpers? Cool. Let's add Iron Man as a reality warper, hell, even Beast can now be a reality warper. Hell, Spiderman in the symbiote suit was 'reality warping' according to your definition, as he had pockets created for his gear.

Batman has also crossed dimensions, so he's a reality warper too. As has Mr Terrific.

I never said tech can't warp reality, not sure where you got that from??

Not exactly, I think the comic reality has a different set of rules to real reality. A reality warper, either, through Magic Invocation or whatever changes that on panel set of rules. The rules of Marvel and DC allow Superman to fly, if Lobo steps outside and goes a dimension up and gets someone to change it. It is almost exactly like adventures in Flatland, which is all about higher dimensions being able to change the reality of lower ones. It's a pictorial representation of the physics of Dimensions, Mxy whole reality warping is based on it.

Originally posted by Turkey Pie
Not exactly, I think the comic reality has a different set of rules to real reality. A reality warper, either, through Magic Invocation or whatever changes that on panel set of rules. The rules of Marvel and DC allow Superman to fly, if Lobo steps outside and goes a dimension up and gets someone to change it. It is almost exactly like adventures in Flatland, which is all about higher dimensions being able to change the reality of lower ones. It's a pictorial representation of the physics of Dimensions, Mxy whole reality warping is based on it.

You failed to grasp my point.

Green Lantern/Nova/Eden/Spot/Nightcrawler/Iron Man/Reed Richards/Batman have all crossed dimensions, by creating portals and travelling to them. As per your definition:

Um, dimensional travel is reality warping.... You haven't studied any Physics have you? You have to warp dimensions to travel between them.

All these guys are now reality warpers. Spiderman, back when he had the symbiote suit, was able to access a dimension where he could store his camera etc...so now, Venom is a reality warper. According to your definition.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You failed to grasp my point.

Green Lantern/Nova/Eden/Spot/Nightcrawler/Iron Man/Reed Richards/Batman have all crossed dimensions, by creating portals and travelling to them. As per your definition:

All these guys are now reality warpers. Spiderman, back when he had the symbiote suit, was able to access a dimension where he could store his camera etc...so now, Venom is a reality warper. According to your definition.

No, you're imposing your definition of my definition on me without reading what I said about the intrinsic different nature of the comic reality.

Going outside the box, is stepping up a dimension, changing the dimension below is reality warping in the classic trans dimensional definition and fits with everything from Myx to Flatland.