Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Defeating Opress, Ventress, Maul, Sith Anakin.What the heck has Tiin done to put him on par with Kenobi?
He held his own against Mace Windu and was chosen as one of the top 4 people to go against Sidious as only the top people of the council were chosen, which means Tiin was very very powerful, I feel that they kinda nerf'd him like they did to Meetra Surik in the "Revan" Novel, he's more powerful then you'd think.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
Has Obi-Wan ever been directly considered as one of the best swordsmen the order ever had? Saesee Tiin has.
Obi-Wan's the best Soresu practitioner in the era, bar none. He can't hold a candle to true prodigies like Dooku or Mace, but I doubt Tiin is near their level as well.
Tiin is noted for being a telepathic starfighter recluse, and for being pumped up unnecessarily to make Sidious look more badass for having the ability to "stab Tiin before the latter can so much as blink in 30 seconds of movie time".
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Ventress is the only legit one.Held his own against Mace.
Opress and Sith Anakin were not legit?
You can't possibly think him matching Maul is not legit simply because he's done it consistently.
And Dave Filoni actually said it's not believable for Opress to take Kenobi in a fair fight.
Tiin holding his own against a holding back Mace is not really comparable to consistently stalemating Maul.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Quote & source, bro.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/03/21/star-wars-the-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4?page=4
IGN: Savage doesn't participate, as far as we see, in the slaughter of those people. He's been corrupted by Talzin and Dooku, but would he go along with that? What does he think of that - of Maul's plan basically being, "I'm going to kill a bunch of innocent people, and that'll bring Obi-Wan here"?
Filoni: Well, I hate to say it, and it's off-camera, but I think you have to assume that Savage goes along with it. He understands his brother's need for revenge. He's such a twisted, contorted character. He's such a Frankenstein in our world. There was an original version where, in the hologram, Savage was standing with Maul when they communicate with the Jedi Temple, but I said, "This really doesn't work if they're both there." Because [the Jedi] are not aware of the connection between them. So if he's not there, it's actually more believable that they could surprise Obi-Wan and actually take him out. That was a very difficult thing to set up to make you believe that they could take out Obi-Wan.
I'm guessing it wasn't believable for Maul to take out Obi-Wan at the time because he was just resurrected, hadn't been in a proper fight in 10+years, which they actually mention later in the same interview.
But the only reason it wouldn't be believable for Opress to do it is because he's just not as good as Obi-Wan.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Given that Tiin is clearly not even close to Mace's level in a real fight (as proven by their performances against Sidious), that "feat" of Tiin's really means nothing.
Yes but clearly the difference between Sidious and Tiin is Stupidly Huge. And Mace fought at least on par with Sidious.
So what Tiin is almost as good as Maul now? Urm.. Don't think so. Sparring well against Mace is impressive but no where near as Impressive as the things Kenobi has done simply because Kenobi accomplished his feats in real fights.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERIts proven that Mace was fighting for his VERY LIFE. Admitting that Sidious is too strong to Anakin. Sidious was holding back to trick Anakin.
Yes but clearly the difference between Sidious and Tiin is Stupidly Huge. And Mace fought at least on par with Sidious.So what Tiin is almost as good as Maul now? Urm.. Don't think so. Sparring well against Mace is impressive but no where near as Impressive as the things Kenobi has done simply because Kenobi accomplished his feats in real fights.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Erm, where was this proven?
This is an opinion backed up by implications in the Novel that was trying to show off Sidious' power, even going so far as to say "This shadow/man (I forget which) is beyond Vaapad." I only said it was proven that Mace was fighting for his life, not that he was trying to trick anakin, the proof that Mace says Sidious is too strong is in the Novel.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
This is an opinion backed up by implications in the Novel that was trying to show off Sidious' power, even going so far as to say "This shadow/man (I forget which) is beyond Vaapad." I only said it was proven that Mace was fighting for his life, not that he was trying to trick anakin, the proof that Mace says Sidious is too strong is in the Novel.
No sir, Mace Windu is infinitely stronger than Sidious and did not fight for his life. I mean, he did a front kick and disarmed the Sith Lord. That's just stompage right there.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
No sir, Mace Windu is infinitely stronger than Sidious and did not fight for his life. I mean, he did a front kick and disarmed the Sith Lord. That's just stompage right there.