Originally posted by Jmanghan
Still held his own.
It's a sparring match... lol
It's not like they are actually fighting and trying to defeat one another.
Heck, Quinlan Vos also "held his own" against Windu in a sparring match once. But then Windu got serious (because Vos used a Vaapad move) and pwned him in a single move.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
Has Obi-Wan ever been directly considered as one of the best swordsmen the order ever had? Saesee Tiin has.
Yes. In fact, Fisto comments on the way to Sidious that he wishes Kenobi was there instead, and Tiin shushes him and say they'd be plenty.
Kenobi is #4 in the order of the time. Mace, Yoda, Anakin, Kenobi. And 3 and 4 are really darn close, as was shown.
Mace considers Kenobi the best soresu practitioner in the order, better than him, and unlike Tiin, Kenobi backs this up with outside feats.
Originally posted by Q99
If you can have a 20-minute fight, I consider you pretty darned close!
They're close when fighting each other only because they know each others moves do well. But against other opponents Anakin is always shown to be superior.
I personally agree that Mace and Anakin are much closer. Heck in the Zone Anakin will be superior to Mace.. But I also agree Kenobi is no.4.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
He held his own against Mace Windu and was chosen as one of the top 4 people to go against Sidious as only the top people of the council were chosen, which means Tiin was very very powerful, I feel that they kinda nerf'd him like they did to Meetra Surik in the "Revan" Novel, he's more powerful then you'd think.
I guess by that logic Quinlan Vos should be on par with Kenobi as well because of this.
Also Anakin in the zone would comfortably defeat Mace who is stated throughout the mythos to be Dooku's equal at best. This is backed up by Mace himself stating Anakin is arguably the most powerful Jedi in the Order, while Yoda, the greatest foe darkness has ever known was still breathing. The same Yoda who disarmed Sidious in under a minute.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
They're close when fighting each other only because they know each others moves do well. But against other opponents Anakin is always shown to be superior.I personally agree that Mace and Anakin are much closer. Heck in the Zone Anakin will be superior to Mace.. But I also agree Kenobi is no.4.
Fair enough.
One of Kenobi's real talents is his brains. When given a chance to study his opponents, it helps.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
No matter if Anakin is in the Zone or not. He isn´t above Mace, Yoda and Sidious. That´s G-Canon.
I don't get how that's G-Canon since I don't remember Mace, Sidious or Yoda overpowering Zone Anakin in the movies.
However T-Canon states Anakin does have the ability to overpower any Jedi/Sith, as shown in the Mortis trilogy. And since that story came directly from Lucas, it effectively becomes G-Canon.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
No matter if Anakin is in the Zone or not. He isn´t above Mace, Yoda and Sidious. That´s G-Canon.
No, it's not. Zonakin bested Dooku is about 30 seconds, while Yoda, the best swordmaster of the saga, was unable to do.
Also, in ROTS game Anakin bested Windu. I know, that's nocanon, but it's much more, then your opinion.
Originally posted by JediMaster97
"You have to be either Yoda or Mace to compete with Sidious" ~ George Lucas
Actually the full quote is " You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the emperor, Anakin could have defeated the emperor if he hadn't gotten all beat up. "
Also I just told you Mortis trilogy cane from Lucas (and a lot more recently than your quote) so either address the point or so trolling.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Actually the full quote is " You have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the emperor, Anakin could have defeated the emperor if he hadn't gotten all beat up. "Also I just told you Mortis trilogy cane from Lucas (and a lot more recently than your quote) so either address the point or so trolling.
Actually...that´s a good point. But what about the fact that Vader only had 80% of Palpatines power? I mean did he really become "weaker" after the fight against Obi-Wan?
Originally posted by JediMaster97
Actually...that´s a good point. But what about the fact that Vader only had 80% of Palpatines power? I mean did he really become "weaker" after the fight against Obi-Wan?
Yes, definitely, at least in the force*. Because of his wounds (the force comes from every part of you... and he just lost several major parts), cybernetics, and the effect on his mental state (he thought he was invincible then he was crippled by his best friend who he thought was weaker).
*His saber skill should be largely unaffected, once he compensates for the difference in body.
Originally posted by Nephthys
According to Sidious though, Vader's power in the force shouldn't have been affected. Its all in the dudes head.
Or in other words, Kenobi beat him so bad it affected him from then on out.
Though iirc Lucas indicated the cybernetics did matter.
So I'd say it's a combination of factors. Like, were it just the cybernetics alone, he could've still likely passed Palpatine, it just would've taken a lot longer than without. But the psychological blow made it a one-two punch.
Originally posted by Zett
No, it's not. Zonakin bested Dooku is about 30 seconds, while Yoda, the best swordmaster of the saga, was unable to do.
Also, in ROTS game Anakin bested Windu. I know, that's nocanon, but it's much more, then your opinion.
In game Windu's defense he was far from fresh having just dueled with the greatest Sith Lord in history.