Originally posted by TheGodKillerGalan was incorrect and I called him on it. Its fine. I think he realizes his error now and is attempting to save face.
He did no such thing. No, what is truly wrong here is your comprehension of his post.MrM was merely clarifying that it wasn't achieved by Sentry alone in case someone tried to take the feat out of context. Galan came in and supported MrM's claims with scans. You jump into a debate without even understanding what it's all about. Pathetic.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller👆
He did no such thing. No, what is truly wrong here is your comprehension of his post.MrM was merely clarifying that it wasn't achieved by Sentry alone in case someone tried to take the feat out of context. Galan came in and supported MrM's claims with scans. You jump into a debate without even understanding what it's all about. Pathetic.
Originally posted by Galan007
The Void persona had taken precedence over the Sentry persona-- akin to when a schizophrenic individual 'switches' his/her demeanor on the fly.Sentry's body. Void's persona/mindset. Void eyes=blacked out. Sentry eyes=blue.
Simple is simple.
Just to debunk that crap quickly...
It was indeed the Sentry, who defeated the Molecule Man and not the Void.
Everyone NEEDS to grasp that the only indicator for the Void are BLACK SPEECH BUBBLES and bad intentions.
1. When Sentry faced Molecule Man, he wanted him to revert everything back he has done - that is something the Void wouldn't give a damn, since shorty after Void started destroying New York, so why should he care about Molecule Man affecting a city?
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2. After being asked something by Osborn and also being refered as "Robert and Bob" Sentry answered Osborn his question...
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3. To elaborate on the second point: The Void does not refer to himself as Robert Reynolds. He was denying it in the past and he was denying it later on. He wanted to reshape the world into something Robert Reynolds and Lindy Reynolds could not live in:
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... To elaborate on that even further:
Pay attention at the eyes of the Void in the last scan. In the first picture he has blue eyes and in the second one he has shining eyes, both traits one would expect from the Sentry. But it is clearly the Void, since he has black speech bubbles and bad intentions.
So no, black eyes are not an indicator for the Void.
There are countless of other instances, where the eye-color of the character is all over the place. For example in Siege Sentry was not present at all, even though we could see his blue eyes and most often golden eyes, sometimes also red eyes. But from the moment he killed Ares and everyone thought it was Sentry, who did that - everyone was wrong, because later on Sentry asked how many gods he would have to kill on that day and all that while having black speech bubbles - so it was clearly the Void, who would not take credit for Sentry's actions.
On top of that:
The black speech bubbles are in my opinion an indicator for a distorted voice. Most of the time that means that someone is possesed, when it comes to an instance like that. Having differently colored eyes simply doesn't cut it.
Later in the series, when Sentry was full-Void(just shy of transformation), yes, black text bubbles were seen.
However, earlier in the series, Osborne was convinced that he was talking to the Void, even though we didn't see black eyes, black text bubbles, or bad intentions from Sentry:
So clearly that isn't always a prerequisite.
There are a few other instances as well. Point is: blackened eyes are a trademark of the Void persona taking precedence over the Sentry persona-- usually the Void state is induced by rage(this was the case when he tooled Owen.)
Originally posted by Galan007Later in the series, when Sentry was full-Void(just shy of
transformation), yes, black text bubbles were seen.However, earlier in the series, Osborne was convinced that he
was talking to the Void, even though we didn't see black eyes,
black text bubbles, or bad intentions from Sentry:So clearly that isn't always a prerequisite.
There are a few other instances as well. Point is: blackened eyes are
a trademark of the Void persona taking precedence over the Sentry
persona-- usually the Void state is induced by rage(this was the case
when he tooled Owen.)
Also Galan, notice how Sentry didn't even know he saved them:
Then leaves confused like nothing ever happened.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?
Sentry treating Terrax like fodder (no high herald level being can do that).
Hitting with forces that shatter worlds as an aftereffect (while holding back).
Stalemating Galactus
Overpowering MM (who was still far above high herald)
Breaking Terrax axe while yawning
Reforming from being atomized (makes him unbeatable)
Originally posted by Galan007
Later in the series, when Sentry was full-Void(just shy of transformation), yes, black text bubbles were seen.However, earlier in the series, Osborne was convinced that he was talking to the Void, even though we didn't see black eyes, black text bubbles, or bad intentions from Sentry
He wasn't talking to the Void. He was talking to the Sentry. There is a lot of indication:
1. Sentry being unsure of what really is going on, just like the time, when he asked if killing is a good thing, or the time, when he didn't know if Lindy was dead or simply sleeping. Hell, he was even asking if he is in heaven or hell.
2. Once again, he was clearly answering to being called Bob. The Void wants to make Robert's and Lindy's lives a living hell.
Originally posted by Galan007
There are a few other instances as well. Point is: blackened eyes are a trademark of the Void persona taking precedence over the Sentry persona-- usually the Void state is induced by rage(this was the case when he tooled Owen.)
You don't quite understand where Bendis was going with the character. Let me quote him on the Sentry's state:
"CBR: With the Void about to unleash hell on the Avengers, I suppose it's a good time to ask you about his partnership with Osborn. We know why The Sentry's alter ego, Bob Reynolds, worked with Norman, but why did his dark half, The Void, also choose to play along?
BENDIS: They are the same person. I don't think it's clearly a case of The Void and Bob. It isn't like one personality takes over the other. I think there's varying degrees of each in the different versions that you see, like the best version of Bob had a little bit of The Void in it so he could kick some ass. That was the Sentry who ripped Carnage in half. Without that influence, you get this simpering guy who can't move. That's Bob on his own."
Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25450
Would you have ever assumed that it was a Void-influenced Sentry, who killed Carnage? I wouldn't. But that's what Bendis had in mind, even though he didn't show it that way.
Sentry and Void are one character. When SENTRY killed Carnage at the beginning of the New Avengers he was influenced by the Void - his dark desires quite frankly.
That was not always like that. Back in the day when Jenkins was writing Sentry and Void were indeed portrayed as separate entities, but Bendis did a 180 and merged them together. Ask yourself: When was the last time you saw the Jenkins Sentry and Void being the same being and not present at two places at once? That changed.
Now it's essentially impossible to create a battle thread with the Sentry in it and say something like "No Void for the Sentry". Without the Void Sentry is either not even there then, or you have this version of the Sentry:
That is the Sentry at his lowest and that guy can't win a fight. But if he grabs you and rips you in half, it really doesn't matter who did it... Void or Sentry or Sentry or Void. They're the same.
Originally posted by Mr Master👆 that's why I posted that scan earlier.
👆 Also, as you said, "rage," ... which is why imo Sentry was slowly taking over again After Owen was poofed away.
Then, next page, when Osborne addresses Sentry concerning Void/Sentry's comment,
Sentry (blue eyes now) has a baffled look on his face.Also Galan, notice how Sentry didn't even know he saved them:
Then leaves confused like nothing ever happened.
Sentry didn't remember saving them, because the Void persona was animating him at the time-- as indicated by the blackened eyes.
Clearly we get it. Some people like arguing just to argue I guess. /shrug
Just to elaborate on my post above, since it sounds like I'm contradicting myself...
My point was:
Sometimes it's obviously clear if we're dealing with the Sentry persona or the Void persona. You simply know it.
But sometimes, when you're not sure who really in charge is and you start making assumptions that the one was influenced by the other ... it really doesn't matter, because at that point they're the same character - there is no black and white anymore, but only many shades of gray.
Originally posted by EnzeruSorry, but the explicit narration of the scene made it abundantly clear that Norman was talking to the Void, not Sentry:
He wasn't talking to the Void. He was talking to the Sentry. There is a lot of indication:1. Sentry being unsure of what really is going on, just like the time, when he asked if killing is a good thing, or the time, when he didn't know if Lindy was dead or simply sleeping. Hell, he was even asking if he is in heaven or hell.
2. Once again, he was clearly answering to being called Bob. The Void wants to make Robert's and Lindy's lives a living hell.
No black text bubbles. No blackened eyes. No bad intentions. Despite this, he was still in the Void persona. So again: the aforementioned elements are not prerequisites for the Void persona-- but when we see them, we know for sure that Void has taken over.
With that in mind, we have Sentry(with blackened eyes) attacking/destroying Owen:
On the very next page, Sentry reverts back to his 'regular' self(note the blue eyes), and he has no recollection of the events that just transpired:
Why? Because Void was in control at the time, not Bob.
So yeah, Black eyes=Void persona taking precedence over the 'Bob-persona'. This isn't even arguable, imo.
Originally posted by EnzeruWeb-based interviews do not supersede published comics. Heck, they aren't even usable on the versus forum. 👆
You don't quite understand where Bendis was going with the character. Let me quote him on the Sentry's state:[b]"CBR: With the Void about to unleash hell on the Avengers, I suppose it's a good time to ask you about his partnership with Osborn. We know why The Sentry's alter ego, Bob Reynolds, worked with Norman, but why did his dark half, The Void, also choose to play along?
BENDIS: They are the same person. I don't think it's clearly a case of The Void and Bob. It isn't like one personality takes over the other. I think there's varying degrees of each in the different versions that you see, like the best version of Bob had a little bit of The Void in it so he could kick some ass. That was the Sentry who ripped Carnage in half. Without that influence, you get this simpering guy who can't move. That's Bob on his own."
Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25450[/B]
Originally posted by Galan007
No black text bubbles. No blackened eyes. No bad intentions. Despite this, he was still in the Void persona. So again: the aforementioned elements are not prerequisites for the Void persona-- but when we see them, we know for sure that Void has taken over.
Oh really?
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Then how about that instance, where Sentry transforms into Void and still stays in the Sentry persona? With a Voidy appearance and black yes, yet he is still asking about his dead wife, which Void wanted to kill one-two issues ago?
I told you once and I'm going to tell you again: Sentry and Void are one and the same character. If Sentry rips you apart, it doesn't matter if it was Void or the Sentry, as long as you're questioning the "persona in charge".
Would you question the persona in charge at that point? Well, I hope for you that you would, because as I said it: Void himself was the one, who gave Osborn the signal to kill Lindy, which Sentry didn't realize.
Essentially in a fight: If Sentry snaps, he is going to tear you apart and it doesn't matter what kind of color his eyes are or how he himself looks like.
Originally posted by EnzeruYes. Despite appearing to be 'normal' from a visual standpoint, it was still Void, not Bob, that Norman was initially conversing with-- the narration is blatantly indicative of such. Do I seriously need to post those scans for a third time?
Oh really?
You may not like or agree with this, but facts are facts. 👆
Originally posted by EnzeruSo Sentry is able to utilize 'Voidy' abilities without visually appearing to be in his Void persona? Thanks for proving my point. 👆
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http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/108566/3422782-3.jpgThen how about that instance, where Sentry transforms into Void and still stays in the Sentry persona?
Originally posted by EnzeruNo shit.
I told you once and I'm going to tell you again: Sentry and Void are one and the same character.
That still doesn't change the fact that Sentry and Void represent two completely different personalities, of which tend to operate much differently in battles. 👆
Originally posted by TheGodKillerI am definitely not wrong. It is the same character you run the risk of messing with the Void persona when dealing with the Sentry.
You were wrong. You jumped into a discussion without even knowing what it was about. No surprise though, as you just like to argue for arguing's sake.
I stand by my opinion 100 percent.
