Originally posted by Tony Stark
It has NOT been shown on panel YET... Although in The Sentry: Spider-Man The Sentry, Vol. 1 Spider-man clearly and decisively stated
"The same guy who once fought Galactus to a standstill -- He knew your name!
"God, when you were just a kid, The Sentry took out the Menace Master just by staring at him! This guy was everything.
"You used to idolize him . . . ."
That's your proof that he's Galactus level?
I think most people, Tom Brevoort included, would agree that Odin wins this.
Originally posted by Terryc250
I think most people, Tom Brevoort included, would agree that Odin wins this.
Tom Brevoort also thinks that Odin would beat Molecule Man and the Beyonder like they're nothing :-7
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I wouldn't pay all too much attention to Tom Brevoort's take.
Originally posted by Galan007
"Meh" to you. uhuhAnd yeah, I meant normal relative to them. Anyway, I understand that Norman was [also] a total whack-job, but he was a very intelligent whack-job who knew Sentry extremely well. I really don't see him outright saying that he was talking to the Void... Unless he was talking to the Void. There's also the creepy little troll smile that Sentry initially responded with, and Norman reciting "there is no Void" multiple times.
srug
so if norman knows sentry so well he must be right that he was the angel of death as well no?
Originally posted by bbrem123From 1600BCE:
so if norman knows sentry so well he must be right that he was the angel of death as well no?
...Stevie Wonder could see the similarities.
So yes, Norman commenting that Sentry=the Angel of Death(the Biblical one) was also a fact-based assertion. Not really sure what relevance that has here, though..?
Originally posted by Galan007No nothing...i just didnt think many considered this to be true. I have been in a few debates with members here saying the opposite things you just have. Just wanted to see where your opinion lied regarding this subject.
From 1600BCE:
...Stevie Wonder could see the similarities.
So yes, Norman commenting that Sentry=the Angel of Death(the Biblical one) was also a fact-based assertion. Not really sure what relevance that has here, though..?
I can obviously see the similarities. The problem with this is that if it is true then we know that the void is very old and potential connected to the biblical god. Which completely destroys the origin that sentry/void came from the serum.
I only posted the above scene because it implies that Norman's statement may have been literal-- why else would Bendis show us a Biblical sequence in which the Angel of Death is portrayed identically to Void? Conversely, it may have just been a figurative statement as well-- maybe Sentry brings death to others as swiftly as the Angel of Death, or somesuch..?
Either way, it doesn't change anything in terms of Sentry's placement on the power scale.
Originally posted by Tony Stark
Prove to me that the ultimate nullifier is more powerful than a rolled up newspaper
I'll take that as a yes, in that case I'll counter that character statement with Thor making Galactus flee for his life with the godblast.
Therefore Thor > Sentry and since Odin >>>> Thor, that means Odin >>>>>>> Sentry.
Originally posted by EnzeruTom Brevoort also thinks that Odin would beat Molecule Man and the Beyonder like they're nothing
He's either a juiced in idiot,
or he's high on kush toying with peoples questions laughing his ass off.
Or he's a business man (like Castellano)
and therefore doesn't know shit about the streets. (on panel histories/showings)
... ey, nice analogy.
Originally posted by Galan007no i was just see if you were one of those who think osborne was out of his mind when he made that statement. Because some think he is not good source of proof because of his mental state.
I only posted the above scene because it implies that Norman's statement may have been literal-- why else would Bendis show us a Biblical sequence in which the Angel of Death is portrayed identically to Void? Conversely, it may have just been a figurative statement as well-- maybe Sentry brings death to others as swiftly as the Angel of Death, or somesuch..?Either way, it doesn't change anything in terms of Sentry's placement on the power scale.
But you are right. What would it come up twice in the series if it was not actually true. Bendis even says he tried to make everything very clear when he wrote it.
Originally posted by Galan007I only posted the above scene because it implies that Norman's
statement may have been literal-- why else would Bendis show us a
Biblical sequence in which the Angel of Death is portrayed identically to Void?
Here's the thing, if Sentry is/represents/signifies the biblical angel of death sent by Yahweh, or something akin to it,
then we should understand, that means little,
and in fact less for Sentry concerning Marvel.
In Marvel, the Divine hierarchy (from Yahweh to Lucifer to a lowly angel)
is beneath, ... basically insignificant to the Cosmic hierarchy. (Eternity/Infinity, ... etc)
Heck, Lucifer Morningstar's ultimate challenge is Ghost Rider for Christ's sake. (no pun intended)
And Yahweh, more like a Skyfather (perhaps less) than anything else.
Originally posted by Galan007Either way,
it doesn't change anything in terms of Sentry's placement on the power scale.
Originally posted by bbrem123Unfortunately that part of the story was far from clear, imo.
no i was just see if you were one of those who think osborne was out of his mind when he made that statement. Because some think he is not good source of proof because of his mental state.But you are right. What would it come up twice in the series if it was not actually true. Bendis even says he tried to make everything very clear when he wrote it.
Yes the Biblical sequence was shown initially, but Sentry's origin as a human junkie who drank the secret formula and became a godlike 'hero' was also shown in the very same comic. However, it was stated that the formula wouldn't work on anyone else on earth aside from Bob:
...So there's obviously something special about him in particular.
Anywho, that's why I maintain that Norman's statement regarding the AoD could have been literal or figurative. I'd say he was definitely a very reliable source where Sentry is concerned, though-- Bob was his pet/project/baby, after all. But again: either way it changes nothing where Sentry's ranking on the power scale is concerned.
Originally posted by Mr Master👆
That's very interesting, I never seen those Circa showings.Here's the thing, if Sentry is/represents/signifies the biblical angel of death sent by Yahweh, or something akin to it,
then we should understand, that means little,
and in fact less for Sentry concerning Marvel.In Marvel, the Divine hierarchy (from Yahweh to Lucifer to a lowly angel)
is beneath, ... basically insignificant to the Cosmic hierarchy. (Eternity/Infinity, ... etc)Heck, Lucifer Morningstar's ultimate challenge is Ghost Rider for Christ's sake. (no pun intended)
And Yahweh, more like a Skyfather (perhaps less) than anything else.👆 The only possible influence is a negative one when we realize where Yahweh itself stands.
Originally posted by Galan007
Unfortunately that part of the story was far from clear, imo.Yes the Biblical sequence was shown initially, but Sentry's origin as a human junkie who drank the secret formula and became a godlike 'hero' was also shown in the very same comic. However, it was stated that the formula wouldn't work on anyone else on earth aside from Bob:
...So there's obviously something special about him in particular.Anywho, that's why I maintain that Norman's statement regarding the AoD could have been literal or figurative. I'd say he was definitely a very reliable source where Sentry is concerned, though-- Bob was his pet/project/baby, after all. But again: either way it changes nothing where Sentry's ranking on the power scale is concerned.
👆
Well you could also see the "secret formula" osborne was giving him just for the placebo effect and not actually doing anything. Also it could very well change where he is placed on the power scale. We technically dont really even know what his upper limits really are. They keep the character to obscure to know.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's very interesting, I never seen those Circa showings.Here's the thing, if Sentry is/represents/signifies the biblical angel of death sent by Yahweh, or something akin to it,
then we should understand, that means little,
and in fact less for Sentry concerning Marvel.In Marvel, the Divine hierarchy (from Yahweh to Lucifer to a lowly angel)
is beneath, ... basically insignificant to the Cosmic hierarchy. (Eternity/Infinity, ... etc)Heck, Lucifer Morningstar's ultimate challenge is Ghost Rider for Christ's sake. (no pun intended)
And Yahweh, more like a Skyfather (perhaps less) than anything else.👆 The only possible influence is a negative one when we realize where Yahweh itself stands.
Hasnt ghost rider been shown as a peer to Mephisto when at full power. Correct me if im wrong though.
Originally posted by Galan007
However, it was stated that the formula wouldn't work on anyone else on earth aside from Bob:
No, that's not true. It's like bbrem123 said it: What Osborn gave the Sentry during the Dark Avengers was nothing more than a placebo.
There is no evident proof for it being fake, but it should be obvious that it wasn't true ... I hardly doubt that Osborn had access to smarter people than SHIELD and Tony Stark did, who all tried to find a way to take the Sentry out, yet didn't know any of his weaknesses. If they had access to the actual serum they would have had a good starting point.
Besides that the main question would also be why Osborn didn't took the serum himself... Because it was only working on the Sentry? No, that was stated before during his true origin story:
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- the Professor was not able to re-create the serum anymore, but what he gave the Sentry was poison... the military was trying to kill the Sentry,
- the serum would have worked on everyone else, but there was only one example left and Sentry took the last of it...
... and last but not least, there was another character, who took the same version of the super-soldier-serum as Sentry did. The 100.000 times stronger shot to be correct:
Colonel America, who gained psionic powers. He had telekinesis and telepathy. He was powerful enough to level an entire island, but in the bigger picture obviously not nearly as powerful as the Sentry, who is an anomaly. He is a freak of nature.
It was never truly explained what happened to the Sentry, when he took the serum. Was the serum only an excuse to gain power? Power that already other men before him had like Jesus and before him Moses and therefore the Voidy tentacles during the time of the plagues?
Or did the serum act as a portal, which allowed a force from a different universe to enter the 616 universe and merge together with a human host in Robert Reynolds as the non-canon mini "The Age Of The Sentry" suggested it?
Not even I know the answers to these questions, because there are no answers. Only theories.
It seems like you always feel the need to say something, even when your comments aren't needed/wanted...
Originally posted by bbrem123
Well you could also see the "secret formula" osborne was giving him just for the placebo effect and not actually doing anything. Also it could very well change where he is placed on the power scale. We technically dont really even know what his upper limits really are. They keep the character to obscure to know.
Originally posted by Galan007
Hm, good point. 👆
