Originally posted by carver9I was not wrong.
Quan doesn't like admitting when he is wrong...arrogant little snot. Im glad we are back on topic now. With that said, Odin wins with ease.
Originally posted by h1a8Void beats Odin here.
Sentry treating Terrax like fodder (no high herald level being can do that).
Hitting with forces that shatter worlds as an aftereffect (while holding back).
Stalemating Galactus
Overpowering MM (who was still far above high herald)
Breaking Terrax axe while yawning
Reforming from being atomized (makes him unbeatable)
Originally posted by EnzeruDefinitive proof by the writer backed by on panel feats. Indisputable.
He wasn't talking to the Void. He was talking to the Sentry. There is a lot of indication:1. Sentry being unsure of what really is going on, just like the time, when he asked if killing is a good thing, or the time, when he didn't know if Lindy was dead or simply sleeping. Hell, he was even asking if he is in heaven or hell.
2. Once again, he was clearly answering to being called Bob. The Void wants to make Robert's and Lindy's lives a living hell.
You don't quite understand where Bendis was going with the character. Let me quote him on the Sentry's state:
[b]"CBR: With the Void about to unleash hell on the Avengers, I suppose it's a good time to ask you about his partnership with Osborn. We know why The Sentry's alter ego, Bob Reynolds, worked with Norman, but why did his dark half, The Void, also choose to play along?
BENDIS: They are the same person. I don't think it's clearly a case of The Void and Bob. It isn't like one personality takes over the other. I think there's varying degrees of each in the different versions that you see, like the best version of Bob had a little bit of The Void in it so he could kick some ass. That was the Sentry who ripped Carnage in half. Without that influence, you get this simpering guy who can't move. That's Bob on his own."
Source: http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=25450
Would you have ever assumed that it was a Void-influenced Sentry, who killed Carnage? I wouldn't. But that's what Bendis had in mind, even though he didn't show it that way.
Sentry and Void are one character. When SENTRY killed Carnage at the beginning of the New Avengers he was influenced by the Void - his dark desires quite frankly.That was not always like that. Back in the day when Jenkins was writing Sentry and Void were indeed portrayed as separate entities, but Bendis did a 180 and merged them together. Ask yourself: When was the last time you saw the Jenkins Sentry and Void being the same being and not present at two places at once? That changed.
Now it's essentially impossible to create a battle thread with the Sentry in it and say something like "No Void for the Sentry". Without the Void Sentry is either not even there then, or you have this version of the Sentry:
That is the Sentry at his lowest and that guy can't win a fight. But if he grabs you and rips you in half, it really doesn't matter who did it... Void or Sentry or Sentry or Void. They're the same. [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007I don't know what you're looking at. Because it becomes clear that Osborn is talking to a Bob who is confused, the initial sh1t-eating grin of Sentry's notwithstanding.
Yes. Despite appearing to be 'normal' from a visual standpoint, it was still Void, not Bob, that Norman was initially conversing with-- the narration is blatantly indicative of such. Do I seriously need to post those scans for a third time?
^ If you're going to take Norman's words at face value, he also states flatly that he isn't the Void either. So I took his subsequent banter as a confused Bob who starts succumbing to his agoraphobia again. Which is understandable since he's a schizophrenic who just recovered from resurrecting himself.
You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree, though.
Given that Norman spent the majority of Dark Reign and Siege psychoanalyzing Sentry, I am inclined to take his initial statement that he was speaking with Void(not Bob) at face value. Had Norman believed that Bob was in control at the time, he wouldn't have felt the urge to reiterate: "there is no Void" over and over again-- tbh, he probably wouldn't have mentioned the "V word" at all. He likely would have just had a normal conversation with Bob, as he did several times throughout the series.
My opinion. /shrug
^ Meh.
You're right that Norman's talked to Bob the most. But when he talks to Void, it's typically a lot more clearer than, "I want to talk to Bob, not you. You're not the Void, knock it off." Like when Void starts wrecking Manhattan and Norman gets him to stand down, or when he sics the Void on the Atlanteans. And you can make the case that Norman's conversations with Bob are anything but "normal."
They were both insane.
"Meh" to you. uhuh
And yeah, I meant normal relative to them. Anyway, I understand that Norman was [also] a total whack-job, but he was a very intelligent whack-job who knew Sentry extremely well. I really don't see him outright saying that he was talking to the Void... Unless he was talking to the Void. There's also the creepy little troll smile that Sentry initially responded with, and Norman reciting "there is no Void" multiple times.
srug
Originally posted by quanchi112
I am definitely not wrong. It is the same character you run the risk of messing with the Void persona when dealing with the Sentry.I stand by my opinion 100 percent.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerIt is the same person. It's like saying an angry person is different than the same calm person. It is what this character is capable of. Indisputable.
Yes you are. So very wrong. Nobody is disputing that they are the same character, merely that the feat(s) accomplished by a combination of both(Voidtry) shouldn't be credited to the Sentry alone. Think.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It is the same person. It's like saying an angry person is different than the same calm person. It is what this character is capable of. Indisputable.
It has NOT been shown on panel YET... Although in The Sentry: Spider-Man The Sentry, Vol. 1 Spider-man clearly and decisively stated
"The same guy who once fought Galactus to a standstill -- He knew your name!
"God, when you were just a kid, The Sentry took out the Menace Master just by staring at him! This guy was everything.
"You used to idolize him . . . ."