Originally posted by Galan007
It seems like you always feel the need to say something, even when your comments aren't needed/wanted...
I'm the one telling you and every other lowballing lowballer on Killermovies, who doesn't get his facts right the truth about the Sentry.
Your "good point" doesn't quite make it, because you still posted something that is completely wrong and I negated it - like I always do. No wonder you don't want my comments on your take on it.
Originally posted by carver9
👆
Don't make me hurt your feelings, Carver.
Originally posted by EnzeruAny time you try to make a 'point' with me(or pretty much anyone else for that matter), you end up looking like a complete idiot... This very thread is a prime example.
I'm the one telling you and every other lowballing lowballer on Killermovies, who doesn't get his facts right the truth about the Sentry.
Your "good point" doesn't quite make it, because you still posted something that is completely wrong and I negated it - like I always do. No wonder you don't want my comments on your take on it.
That's what makes your arrogance even more laughable(in a pathetic kind of way.) 👆
Originally posted by Enzeru👆
I'm the one telling you and every other lowballing lowballer on Killermovies, who doesn't get his facts right the truth about the Sentry.
Your "good point" doesn't quite make it, because you still posted something that is completely wrong and I negated it - like I always do. No wonder you don't want my comments on your take on it.Don't make me hurt your feelings, Carver.
Originally posted by Galan007
Any time you try to make a 'point' with me(or pretty much anyone else for that matter), you end up looking like a complete idiot... This very thread is a prime example.
Eh, yeah no. You basically come up with a bunch of interpretations and many of them are based on one page, or hell sometimes even ONE SINGLE PANEL of a multi-page development in the story and you use that ONE SINGLE PANEL to establish your opinion, while completely ignoring everything else. Why?
Because it suits your biased opinion?
Because you're too stupid to actually get it right?
Who knows.
But when then someone like me - from the glorious master debater race - comes along and proves you wrong, you're like: "WELL DUDERINO... THAT'S LIKE JUST... MY OPINION AND MY TAKE ON IT, LIKE... YEAH!"
Nothing you say holds any value. There are so many instances in this thread, where you failed big time to establish anything.
I explained it to you, you didn't get it. I posted the writers opinion on it, which supports my prior explanations and you said that the writers opinion on that topic doesn't matter, because it's not in the comic, while it clearly is, but it's just slightly more convoluted than for shallow characters like Superdudebro and Fläääsh.
Freakin' deal with it.
Originally posted by Galan007
That's what makes your arrogance even more laughable(in a pathetic kind of way.) 👆
Bi7ch please, my IQ is: 128. That's very well above average.
One would have to combine the IQ's of people like Darkone, Mr. Master, wolverinos, Insane Titan and yourself to even come close to my level of intelligence and comprehension.
All of that has nothing to do with arrogance, but with sheer, brutal, painful reality.
You're stupid and you're the the famous case of a stupid person not realizing that he / she is a stupid person.
And with aaaaaall that being said:
Do you want to know what the most funny thingy is? Quanchi and h1a8 are actually right most of the time, but when you have a bunch of vocal morons like the people I mentioned before ... the opinion of the people, who actually grasp something kinda goes down.
Shame on you. SHAME. ON. YOU.
Decided to read through a few pages. Found this gem on the second page. I'm guessing it's indicative of how the rest of this thread has been going on?
Originally posted by Enzeru
Absorbing Man absorbed Asgardian artifacts and Odin's magic itself, yet he was impressed more by the fraction of Sentry's power he had and when Sentry cut loose, he straight up exploded.
Pointless comparison. Absorbing Man absorbed portions of Odin's blasts while Sentry unleashed his full power on him. If Absorbing Man had gotten his hands on him and tried to absorb the totally of his power, he'd have exploded as well.
Besides, Odin was just toying with him:
And characters fluctuate a lot, especially guys like Creel. On a different occasion Absorbing Man took part of Sentry's power and was beating him up. In their third encounter, he absorbed an even greater power source then Sentry (A shard of a Cosmic Cube) and easily owned him:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Absorbing%20Man/Battle/Avengers%2033/TheMightyAvengers033img007.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg102/Knowsbleed33/Absorbing%20Man/Battle/Avengers%2033/TheMightyAvengers033img008.jpg
Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry took care of Doctor Doom twice and destroyed his force fields, which protected Doctor Doom from attacks more destructive than what Odin has to offer.
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read in weeks. Odin would effortlessly get past all of Doctor Doom's force fields. Thor alone not too long ago handed Doom his ass just as badly as Sentry. No worse, as Doom was amped at the time. Although this A,B,C logic is retarded and assumes power levels never change.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry defeated the Molecule Man in terms of raw destructive power and the Molecule Man stands above Odin and should be at least on the level of a hungry Galactus IMO.
Odin is easily on the level of a hungry Galactus. 😬
Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry has the natural speed advantage over Odin, just like over basically every other regular Marvel character I can think of right now. On top of that he is capable of performing stuff under his own power for which you would need the Odin Force like resurrecting people and so on.
Sentry can fly very fast. Odin can stop time. 🙂
The Odin Force is Odin's own power.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I could see Sentry's telepathy / empathy affecting Odin slightly, since it already affected the minds of Omega Level mutants, who have the potential to be more powerful than Odin and it also already affected Thor, who withstood the Phoenix and Moondragon before.
Lol, what? Are you talking about Emma Frost? In what sense is she even remotely in Odin's league?
And in terms of telepathic feats, Odin > Sentry.
Originally posted by EnzeruBi7ch please, my IQ is: 128. That's very well above average.
One would have to combine the IQ's of people like Darkone, Mr. Master, wolverinos, Insane Titan and yourself to even come close to my level of intelligence and comprehension.
You're stupid and you're the the famous case of a stupid person not realizing that he / she is a stupid person.
Do you want to know what the most funny thingy is? Quanchi and h1a8 are actually right most of the time, but when you have a bunch of vocal morons like the people I mentioned before ...
... Don't know about yall,
but I'm saving this as perhaps the funniest shit filled post to date.
Only Nvr's famous delusional moment compares:
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirlI run a company.
I just had dinner with the govenor.
I just did an interview on a local station at the last minute.
I've sang in front of the president.I've fought Thugs in the hood.
argued with racist teachers for better grades. Been openly gay in
school, work, the hood, and even str8 bars and you tell me I"m a
coward. I've got spades of courage. You are nothing. Less than
actually to me. You know nothing of real courage. Look a racist
cop in the face while driving a luxury car and then you'll know
something about courage. Bytch.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Decided to read through a few pages. Found this gem on the second page. I'm guessing it's indicative of how the rest of this thread has been going on?
What's there to guess? I gave Odin the victory in my very first post.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Pointless comparison. Absorbing Man absorbed small portions of Odin's blasts while Sentry unleashed his full power on him. If Absorbing Man had gotten his hands on him and tried to absorb the totally of his power, he'd have exploded as well.
Right now, you're assuming stuff.
The only times I personally recall, when Absorbing Man exploded was after trying to absorb Sentry's powers and trying to absorb a Celestial Weapon or something like that.
He absorbed Odin's magic just fine.
I've seen people making the case that in his fight against Thanos Odin needed to summon his speer in order to dish out more damage to Thanos and take him down quickly and in the Absorbing Man instance we had Absorbing Man absorbing the output.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Besides, Odin was just toying with him:
No one ever denied that. Odin BFRed him, when he had enough. Did he overload him with his energy output though? No, Absorbing Man absorbed it just fine. Just like he did it to Mjolnir.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And characters fluctuate a lot, especially guys like Creel.
Are you trying to make the point of Absorbing Man having a low showing during his encounter with the Sentry, or what?
I wouldn't mind that argument, if there wasn't so much to read about. Absorbing Man absorbed a fraction of Sentry's power and already stated that he never felt power like that before. He asked the Sentry if that's when you feel like a god.
He certainly had the powers of "gods" before, but I don't recall him making such claims.
When Sentry cut loose, Absorbing Man was gone. He was clearly overwhelmed in that encounter. That's not a low showing anymore due to the entire context.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On a different occasion Absorbing Man took half of Sentry's power and was beating up.
So, Sentry with half power >>> Sentry with full power, or what?
Absorbing Man attacked the Sentry from behind, absorbed a bit of his power saying that when he tried to absorb more he nearly died and then he proceeded to hit Sentry twice and punch him away from the fight. Uuuuh, biggie.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In their third encounter, he absorbed a shard of a Cosmic Cube and easily manipulated Sentry/Void.
Of course: Reality manipulation >>> Sentry
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That's the dumbest thing I've ever read in weeks. Odin would effortlessly get past all of Doctor Doom's force field. Thor alone not too long ago handed Doom his ass just as badly as Sentry. No worse, as Doom was amped at the time. Although this A,B,C logic is retarded and assumes power levels never change.
Sentry has been portrayed as someone, who broke through Doctor Doom's force fields multiple times, without breaking a sweat. In different realities (non canon of course, but I'm trying to make a point) he always took out Doom without breaking a sweat.
Doom has certainly a great track record against more powerful beings. Saying that Odin could simply overwhelm Doom is a tricky statement, just because Thor once did it, is a very bold statement, considering the fact that Thor also faced to get past Doctor Doom and that Doctor Doom took on the attacks of cosmic beings such as Uatu, Galactus, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Beyonder.
Power levels do change, but one showing should not negate 5 other showings. That is retarded.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
is easily on the level of a hungry Galactus. 😬
Meh. Might be the case, might not be the case, although I would lean towards that being the case due to Galactus jobber-aura, when he is hungry.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sentry can fly very fast. Odin can stop time. 🙂
Indeed. My point was that he would have the first move against Odin and with that he can either use empathy, or molecule manipulation.
Do I personally think that Odin might be able to fight through both of these attacks? Yes, therefore I give Odin the win.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Odin Force is Odin's own power.
With the exception that the Sentry doesn't have to sleep every once in a while for a week.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol, what? Are you talking about Emma Frost? In what sense is she een remotely in Odin's league?
Uhm, by having massivly better feats?
What are Odin's feat? Fighting Galactus, which once again is a pretty damn questionable / lackluster telepathy feat (at least in my opinion) and hypnotizing Earth's population, which might have been magic anway.
Emma Frost has affected the entire planet and so has the Sentry - Sentry on top of that affected people with powerful telepathic abilities and telepathic resistances.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And in terms of telepathic feats, Odin shits on Sentry.
That you would have to prove.
That would also be saying that Odin can affect the minds of omega level telepaths, which I don't see him pulling off.
Showing him facing a hungry Galactus mentally won't do the trick.
Originally posted by Enzeru
What's there to guess? I gave Odin the victory in my very first post.Right now, you're assuming stuff.
The only times I personally recall, when Absorbing Man exploded was after trying to absorb Sentry's powers and trying to absorb a Celestial Weapon or something like that.He absorbed Odin's magic just fine.
I've seen people making the case that in his fight against Thanos Odin needed to summon his speer in order to dish out more damage to Thanos and take him down quickly and in the Absorbing Man instance we had Absorbing Man absorbing the output.No one ever denied that. Odin BFRed him, when he had enough. Did he overload him with his energy output though? No, Absorbing Man absorbed it just fine. Just like he did it to Mjolnir.
Are you trying to make the point of Absorbing Man having a low showing during his encounter with the Sentry, or what?
I wouldn't mind that argument, if there wasn't so much to read about. Absorbing Man absorbed a fraction of Sentry's power and already stated that he never felt power like that before. He asked the Sentry if that's when you feel like a god.He certainly had the powers of "gods" before, but I don't recall him making such claims.
When Sentry cut loose, Absorbing Man was gone. He was clearly overwhelmed in that encounter. That's not a low showing anymore due to the entire context.So, Sentry with half power >>> Sentry with full power, or what?
Absorbing Man attacked the Sentry from behind, absorbed a bit of his power saying that when he tried to absorb more he nearly died and then he proceeded to hit Sentry twice and punch him away from the fight. Uuuuh, biggie.Of course: Reality manipulation >>> Sentry
Absorbing Man was overloaded against Quasar's Quantum Bands and Black Bolt's voice.
Like I said, he fluctuates, using him as a kind of measuring stick is pointless. Especially since he never absorbed anything remotely to the totality of Odin's energy.
Sentry once overloaded the Absorbing Man with his power. On another occasion, he absorbed a power source even superior to Sentry and owned him. Think about what that means and you'll realize my point.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Sentry has been portrayed as someone, who broke through Doctor Doom's force fields multiple times, without breaking a sweat. In different realities (non canon of course, but I'm trying to make a point) he always took out Doom without breaking a sweat.Doom has certainly a great track record against more powerful beings. Saying that Odin could simply overwhelm Doom is a tricky statement, just because Thor once did it, is a very bold statement, considering the fact that Thor also faced to get past Doctor Doom and that Doctor Doom took on the attacks of cosmic beings such as Uatu, Galactus, Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet and the Beyonder.
Power levels do change, but one showing should not negate 5 other showings. That is retarded.
I don't know about What-Ifs and such but like I said, Doctor Doom is absolutely no challenge to Odin. Sentry did no better then Thor against Doctor Doom. And since you love using people as absolute measuring sticks, that says it all about how Doom compares to Odin.
When have Doctor Doom's shields withstood attacks from the Beyonder, Galactus, or Uatu under his own power? Against Thanos, he survived a blast when he tried to absorb the gauntlet, but so what? He wasn't the only one. Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet is far more powerful then Odin but if he blasted Doom directly, he'd end him.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Meh. Might be the case, might not be the case, although I would lean towards that being the case due to Galactus jobber-aura, when he is hungry.
Odin proved to be on the same level but less powerful then a Galactus who had fed. I think it's safe to say he's above a hungry Galactus. Especially depending on how far his hunger has advanced.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Indeed. My point was that he would have the first move against Odin and with that he can either use empathy, or molecule manipulation.
Do I personally think that Odin might be able to fight through both of these attacks? Yes, therefore I give Odin the win.
Okay.
Originally posted by Enzeru
With the exception that the Sentry doesn't have to sleep every once in a while for a week.
What exactly is your point with this?
Originally posted by Enzeru
Uhm, by having massivly better feats?
What are Odin's feat? Fighting Galactus, which once again is a pretty damn questionable / lackluster telepathy feat (at least in my opinion) and hypnotizing Earth's population, which might have been magic anway.Emma Frost has affected the entire planet and so has the Sentry - Sentry on top of that affected people with powerful telepathic abilities and telepathic resistances.
That you would have to prove.
That would also be saying that Odin can affect the minds of omega level telepaths, which I don't see him pulling off.Showing him facing a hungry Galactus mentally won't do the trick.
Emma Frost has massively better feats then Odin?
Yes, matching Galactus in telepathy is one of them. I have absolutely no idea why you think this is a questionable feat when we've seen that the likes of Professor Xavier (Who is a better telepath then Emma Frost) cannot even begin to defeat Galactus' most basic mental defenses:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16938805/Secret_Wars_005-13.jpg.html
We've seen Odin easily match an insane Thor on the mental plane (On a level far beyond the comprehension of mortals). The only reason he did not triumph is because it would destroy Thor's mind:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill10.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill11.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6500/odinmental1tx5.jpg
For some comparison, it took the combined mental powers of Thanos (Who alone is better then most Omega Mutants), Moondragon with the Mind Gem, Doctor Strange, Adam Warlock etc. to just barely break free out of Thor's madness indirectly:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill3.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill4.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill5.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill6.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill7.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill8.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill9.jpg
Odin even went into Thor's mind where the Madness (In the form of Valkyrie ruled the domain) and proved to be superior anyways:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5914/odinmental3rg3.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/2170/odinmental4fv4.jpg
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7246/odinmental5sq4.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9065/odinmental6ga7.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/7104/odinmental7ti1.jpg
For some comparison, Moondragon with the Mind Gem barely breaks through the mental barriers that Odin easily penetrated in the above scan:
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill1.jpg
http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy73/R-O-G/Thor/ThorInsaneWill2.jpg
You don't think Odin could affect Omega level telepaths? Wtf? Odin has erased the minds of all of Asgard. Now lets establish just how powerful Asgardian telepathic might is.
Amora the Enchantress alone proved to posses superior telepathic might to Professor Xavier and called his mutant powers a joke:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16938806/Secret_Wars_006-10.jpg.html
Heck, Loki using his magic created a telepath far more powerful than even the likes of Xavier (To the point he was manipulating reality and shit):
Fyi, Thor withstood this telepath:
And since you're so obsessed with Emma, we saw a Phoenix amped Emma Frost completely fail against Thor telepathically:
http://i709.photobucket.com/albums/ww99/Strangerinthenight/Newer/ZONE-EMPIRE-014.jpg
Matching an entity like Galactus telepathically puts him far above the likes of Omega level telepaths. And that wasn't a hungry Galactus. We saw him feed on a planet before he came to Earth.
And yes, Odin effortlessly took control of the entire human population and transported them into another reality:
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/16938667/Journey_in_to_mystery104-07.jpg.html
I don't know why you think it being a spell makes it any less of a telepathic feat though?
In conclusion, even the lesser Asgardian spell casters have proven (On occasion anyways) to be beyond Omega level mutant telepaths while someone like Odin is on the level of Galactus and far beyond mortals.
Originally posted by Rao Kal El
128? That it?I do not know Galan's or Mr. M's IQ, but what ever it is they know more about comics than Albert Einstein.
IQ does not count as comic knowledge... just saying
I always have to explain myself :-7
If you would pay attention and think one step further, you would come to realize that I was using the entire setup mainly as an insult. I do have a pretty high IQ, but who gives a **** about that? Especially: Who gives a **** about that on the internet?
My point was to call some of the users here stupid by saying that their combine IQ's still don't come close to mind and by naming at least 3-4 people, that would mean that they're insanely stupid, since it's not typical for a person to have an IQ lower than 50. That's ... a danger-zone then, but when looking at some of the posters here, the 50 doesn't strike me as unreasonable anymore.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I always have to explain myself :-7If you would pay attention and think one step further, you would come to realize that I was using the entire setup mainly as an insult. I do have a pretty high IQ, but who gives a **** about that? Especially: Who gives a **** about that on the internet?
My point was to call some of the users here stupid by saying that their combine IQ's still don't come close to mind and by naming at least 3-4 people, that would mean that they're insanely stupid, since it's not typical for a person to have an IQ lower than 50. That's ... a danger-zone then, but when looking at some of the posters here, the 50 doesn't strike me as unreasonable anymore.
But if they are so stupid, they would not be able to understand your insult.
I bet you Quan is still trying to figure this one out.
And it was obviously an insult as the word b1tch preceded it. still, a very poorly executed insult that open yourself up for ridicule.
In anycase, you may procede.
If the people who boast about their intelligence would be half as smart as they claim, they wouldn't try to enforce their opinion upon others and wouldn't waste so much time on the internernet, especially a comic book forum. It's ok to be here, it's funny and it's good to have some fun, but taking all this too serious an behaving like a dick? Jesus. ^^
